Fw 190 A5 vs Spit V

[Imp]

That is drag of course the point I was trying to make was that a 1000Kg plane is pulled towards the earth by 1000Kg by gravity while a 2000Kg plane is pulled towards earth by 2000Kg by gravity. All at 1G of course in a dive you probly dont have 1G
affecting you.

Or am I still wrong RRAM or should I say mister know-it-all

P.S: How does negative Gs work?

[RRAM]

Originally posted by Imp
That is drag of course the point I was trying to make was that a 1000Kg plane is pulled towards the earth by 1000Kg by gravity while a 2000Kg plane is pulled towards earth by 2000Kg by gravity.

Look, mate...fill your mouth of Galileo laws ,if you want to. THey're not appliable here because those laws only apply when the system has no friction coming from the air ,nor any external interference.


In real life there's air, you know. That air creates friction, and that friction causes that Galileo's laws stop applying automatically.

I repeat, atmosphere's not vacuum, and a heavier plane will dive better than a lighter one the other things being all equal (power, aerodynamics, etc).

In the case of the 190, we have every reason to think it will dive MUCH better than the spit:

1- 190 it's heavier
2- 190's got more engine power
3- 190's got higher wingloading
..etc



So stop the high-school phisics class, please. And,just FYI, "mister all-knowing" RAM is studying 4th grade of Phisics, so, well, I'm not speaking out of the blue here, young padawan

[Wilbus]

I've never been very good at advanced physics, however, I know Ram is right. The only times those laws are working is in Vacum, can try it in pipes by sucking out the air and then dropping a feather and a steel ball or something, both will fall the same speed. Drop them where there is air, the steel ball will win wihout trouble.

[AKSWulfe]

Vacuum has no resistance, and that's where the law applies.

In the air, a feather will not fall the same speed a bowling ball. It will in a vacuum.

Weight, drag, acceleration (both gravity AND from the object's own power source) will all combine into making one object fall faster than another.

RAM- are you sure wingloading will figure into a plane's diving acceleration properties? I don't think it would, but that's why I'm asking.
-SW

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Wilbus
I bet ten to nothing that Montezuma just said a nother thing to prove his low IQ.

I guess personal attacks which don't address the post are OK on this board?

I'll keep that in mind.

[Wotan]

you do it all the time

read your first post

If Spit Vs are giving you trouble in a FW-190, you need to start sucking less

All the guy asked for was some tips. Thats typical of you. It shows your aw breeding.

[whgates3]

for aerodynamics, it's not the weight of the A/C that counts, its the density & the shape coefficient...AFAIK  Spit IX carried 1660 HP merlin, 190 A4 carried 1700 HP BMW 801D-2 and so did A8, so i would assume A5 did too..,

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Wotan
you do it all the time

read your first post

All the guy asked for was some tips. Thats typical of you. It shows your aw breeding.

He didn't ask for a tip, he said 'something is not quite right' with the Spit V because he can't run away from them in a 190.  

How typical of a Luftwhiner, like you, to rush to his defense.

[Wotan]

Does anyone have the know-how to test this?

Thats was his question.

Find a post with whine by me about any plane....... Go ahead bet you wont find one.

But again heres is clear indication of your hypocracy.....

 

I guess personal attacks which don't address the post are OK on this board?

The only personnal attacks are coming from you.

[Imp]

Well RRAM I dont recall saying the drag of the aircraft would not affect speed because it will all I was saying was that Gravity would not make the plane go faster because of its weight wich is should still be true right?.

P.S.: Not everyone has a degree in physics so stop insulting me

[batdog]

Errr..... I thought the basics for physics remained the same.... its just that more variables have been added? The Co-eff of friction being one? Damn....its beeen a looong time.


xBAT

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Wotan


That was his question.

This was also what he said:

"Thanks for the reply, but i'm not asking HOW to escape a spit. I'm asking WHY the spit V is as fast as a FW 190 a5 in a dive, accellerating with it from the first few feets. It's historically uncorrect."

Maybe training could help but it looks like a case of an unrepentant dweeb blaming the modeling.

I took up your offer Wotan and scanned some of your posts in this forum.  Although we have disagreements, I no longer think you're a luftwhiner.   It is unfortunate for you that the reasonable fans of German planes have Wilbus, RAM, et. al. acting as advocates.

You should be unbiased enough to realize that BigUC’s main problem with the Spit V is his own and there is probably nothing wrong with the model.

We might also agree that the 190A5 dominates the Spit V so much that AH could use a 190A4 or earlier to balance out some of the events and arena setups.

[Wilbus]

I am no protectoer of German planes, I know what they were good for and know what they were bad for, I know what planes could beat them and were better. I don't, in any way, think or say that the german planes are the best nor do I run around the BB and say they are undermodelled. The Ta152 has been proven undermodelled and that's all I say about any plane, The other 190's are not undermodelled AFAIK, and no eveidence have been posted that say they are.

We might also agree that the 190A5 dominates the Spit V so much that AH could use a 190A4 or earlier to balance out some of the events and arena setups.

That proves that you don't know much, or anything at all about the 190, even the 190 A1 dominated the Spit 5 (although A1 had lots of engine problems). The A3 was tested against the Spit 5 and domintated even more then the A1 did. We have an A5 and as it is in the MA it doesn't perform as good against the Spit 5 as combat reports say. But you've proven that you don't know much about this, and, in here, just as you did in the Ta152 thread I started, come in with another Jack bellybutton comment as you've been so well known of all over this board, by more then just some players.

As for personal insults, you started it by saying to a player, who had done nothing wrong, no whine what so ever, just a question and tell him to start "sucking less", that not only shows how wrong you are and how little you know, but all that you'll ever be good for is to make personal insults on players who question things.

[Wotan]

Look at the answer Biguc recieved from the lwhiners. They basically told him what he needed to do to beat a spit 5.

No lwhining there.

Check BigUC scores going back a while hes relatively new to lw planes in general. You dont  pop into the "f4u-4 is porked" threads or the "spit 14" is porked threads and insult those guys.

What you do is pop in these threads and insult folks.

I dont know what your deal is but theres lots of whining going about alot of things.  Folks explained to Biguc what he needed to do. They posted real life test results and explained what he needs to do to deal with spit 5s in ah.

Ofcourse none of these planes are modelled 100% correct, they cant be be. But because someone raises a question based on his experience doesnt mean he deserves to be insulted.

Even if it is a whine, dont you think ht can recognize that? Or the rest of us?

You can do what you want, but dont take any high road.

I guess personal attacks which don't address the post are OK on this board?

Especially, when you are the one who starts it.

Just my .2 cents take it with a grain of salt .........

[GRUNHERZ]

Montezuma do you even play AH as I cannot find any score info under that name....  Troll?