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Offline Saintaw

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2002, 11:14:16 AM »
I hear ya :D

Seriously, I have no kids, and for one who spends so much time in front of a computer... if I had any i'm not sure how I would have to explain that "too much of the box is bad for ya".

It's good to see that some of us folks still know what fresh air is about.

PS Are you going to teach him to post hourly on a BBS too ? ;)

Edit: Geeeeeeeeez 13786 posts Rip! lol
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2002, 11:32:38 AM »
Hehe, well, needless to say, its been extremely slow in the airline business these days, I believe its only a matter of time before I'll be a "Stay at home" Dad, wife will go back to working full time as a manager at the hosital, I'll be wearing my teddie when she gets home at night ;) Luckily, we've paid cash for everything we have, except our house.

Hey, my oldest is on a soccer team now (rolls eyes), Your Euro sports are having an influence on him! ;)

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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2002, 11:51:37 AM »
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Cruise says he limits his kids time with 'puters.

Major mistake. You can't start to early with these toys. And they'll clothe ya and keep ya fed if you take an interest in 'em :).


 You are wrong - as well as most of our school system.
 Net-connected computers make it addictively easy to get information, including opinions and logical justifications.

 They in no way replace but distract from training the mind in processing and systematising knowlege and coming up with original thought processes.
 Stuffing someone with interesting facts but not exercising the brain (maybe except memory) will leave even kif of genetically high intelligence potential unable to use his intelligence.

 A kid predisposed to be the greatest gymnast would never be clumsy but woudl never reach his potential if he only watches gymnastics done by others. Same with brain.

 Knowlege is fluff. You can fill it in anytime and if memory is not that good, we have notebooks and databases. Knowlege-processing and acquiring abilities and habits have do be developed while the person's brain is developing - through the childhood and late teens.

 What you do is spend time with children and ask them questions or answer theirs with leading questions so they come up with an answer themselves.

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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2002, 11:55:49 AM »
I am on the same page with Ripsnort about the reading and spending time with the family. I think kids today spend entirely to much time inside and not enough outside playing and being kids. Hell it happens to me and I don't realize it till I get home and think about the only time I saw the Sun was through my office window. I also think that most of the games for the PS2/X-Box/Gamecube are crap geared to what I call the twitch gamers (typical Quake heads and other FPS players).

Now with that said although I own an X-Box the only games I have for it are sports games (NCAA and Madden football, basketball, baseball) and a few driving games. As for the computer we have the typical reading, math and spelling games and AH, IL-2 and a couple of classic games like X-Com and the whole X-Wing series. I voluntarily gave all my shooters like Rainbow Six and others away because my son is getting old enough to recognize and re-enact what he sees on the games. Yesterday I gave him a Gameboy with Tetris and a Toy Story racing game.
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2002, 12:36:56 PM »
thread hijacking in progress .........

now on to something much more meaningful....

anyone here signed up for the Xbox Live beta? :)

my son and I received our package the other day. It contained NFL Fever 2003. Hooked up  with a couple of kids about his age (16) in Miami and played a game - GB (us) against the Jets (them)

pretty neat experience overall. no lag and the headset worked like a champ - maybe too good :)
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2002, 12:51:06 PM »
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1 hour of "Spongebob squarepants" :D)


Gee Rip...you let them watch that crap?  I would have thought that you would force them to sit through that new PBS American Propaganda show...LNN.  The Liberty News Network.

Have you seen it yet?  It is so full of US patriotism...and rah, rah..USA USA I figured it would be mandatory at your place.;)

Actually to be honest it is quite good.  It teaches American History brilliantly...I have learned quite a bit since the kids started to watch it.  Some of the characters I had never even heard of and yet they played crucial roles in the founding of the US.

We only let the kids watch PBS for their cartoons.  That way they can learn something as well as being entertained.
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2002, 12:54:36 PM »
Hey! Don't be knocking Spongebob now!  Thats clean entertainment..funny for kids, and adults too (kinda written like the old Bugs Bunny cartoons, alittle adult humor in there ;) )

Squidward reminds me of ALOT of people on this OT forum...:D

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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2002, 01:09:56 PM »
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thread hijacking in progress .........

now on to something much more meaningful....

anyone here signed up for the Xbox Live beta? :)

my son and I received our package the other day. It contained NFL Fever 2003. Hooked up  with a couple of kids about his age (16) in Miami and played a game - GB (us) against the Jets (them)

pretty neat experience overall. no lag and the headset worked like a champ - maybe too good :)


Yes Eagler I got "accepted" but I have decided that I don't need to get in on that since I already don't play AH as much as I used to. Not to mention I don't want to drop $50 to test something I might use every once in a while. If I was going to be playing it non-stop then I would be on it fast.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2002, 01:18:50 PM »
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Yes Eagler I got "accepted" but I have decided that I don't need to get in on that since I already don't play AH as much as I used to. Not to mention I don't want to drop $50 to test something I might use every once in a while. If I was going to be playing it non-stop then I would be on it fast.


figured $50 was cheap considering the game itself cost that

plus you get the headset & a year sub for all their online games (once you by them :) )
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2002, 03:46:09 PM »
I force my kids to watch nothing but the Game Show network for at least 4 hours day. My retirement plan is for one of them to be the Jeopardy grand champion in about 10 years.

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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2002, 04:07:18 PM »
I unplugged the cable when my sons where 3 and 5. They are now 9 and 11, I got a satalite dish this week, but skipped the kids cartoon channel and got the kids discovery bundle.
Both boys are very avid readers far ahead of thier grade levels.
In the last 5 years thier tv has been limited to movies on tape and one cartoon in the morning and survivor...
I will make sure that they dont go crazy on it but I think the truly formative years are the most important to give them a love of reading.
They have a game cube and they use that with admirable moderation. They use the pc with moderation as well. The only thing they dont really do with moderation is read. My older son takes books to school to read in class after his work is done and at lunch..ever worry your kids read to much?

You cannot take anything either Tom or Stephen say at face value. they both will say what ever seems the most useful to them..I am sure that their lives are just like public service anouncements for whatever cause they support this week.

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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2002, 02:51:59 AM »
Miko wrote:
You are wrong - as well as most of our school system.
Net-connected computers make it addictively easy to get information, including opinions and logical justifications.


Miko, you're suggesting that the ease at which one gets information has a detrimental effect on our learning. I disagree with this.

Even though opinions and facts quickly can get pulled off the net, they still have to be validated, correlated and analysed. This is where the brain time is - it shouldn't be with spending hours in some old library to find some text that quite inaccurately describes the mating habits of penguins - which you then'll have to try to convert to mating habits of humans.

Accepting something at face value has something to do with the attitude of the learner - not the medium.


They in no way replace but distract from training the mind in processing and systematising knowlege and coming up with original thought processes.


No. But the easier you can get to the info, the more time you can spend processing it.


Stuffing someone with interesting facts but not exercising the brain (maybe except memory) will leave even kif of genetically high intelligence potential unable to use his intelligence.


Agreed. But there's nothing to suggest that 'puters are bad for our brains - quite the opposite.


A kid predisposed to be the greatest gymnast would never be clumsy but woudl never reach his potential if he only watches gymnastics done by others. Same with brain.


On the other hand a kid destined to be the greatest gymnast ecer will go nowhere unless he has access to the tools of his trade.


Knowlege is fluff. You can fill it in anytime and if memory is not that good, we have notebooks and databases. Knowlege-processing and acquiring abilities and habits have do be developed while the person's brain is developing - through the childhood and late teens.


Agreed again. Once again, 'puters ease getting information. The second part is dealing with it. It's up to the learner to make sure this happens


What you do is spend time with children and ask them questions or answer theirs with leading questions so they come up with an answer themselves.


No, you buy a tape with the Teletubbies :D

Heh seriously, my comment was more meant for the geeks like myself. In two months I'll be paid for playing around with computers - and I wouldn't have done so unless I got into puters through games and such. SO it'll kept me fed, fat and happy for a bit - until I get bored with the pointless existence of creating money for corporations with no altruistic purpose and little meaning overall.

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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2002, 04:33:01 AM »
Don't know whether this has anything to do with this topic, but I feel computers are a mixed blessing, as far as learning devices go.  Games like AH are challenging and offer great entertainment, especially for adults.  They most probably do help develop a sense of hand-eye coordination for young folks and teens...if not overdone to the exclusion of everything else.  Real life hand-eye coordination is developed through the visual arts, i.e. drawing pictures.  Since AH, and most other computer games, are visual in nature, they do appeal to the right side of the brain...the part associated with abstract thought, and.....mathematics.

Imo, computers in schools are useful for things such as learning Word and Office...typewriting and accounting class in the old days.  The information gleaned from the Internet may not be trustworthy for serious academic work (writing of essays and articles), unless it comes from a library.  By the time a child goes to college, being able to type well would be a distinct advantage toward writing the essays...much easier and faster to correct mistakes on a word processor or computer than old-style typewriter.

Two points and then I'll go.  There is no sustitute for reading books, where the reader's own imagination is working.  Books are superior to computers, because they can be read anywhere, and a computer is not required equipment.  Also, legitimate "school" books contain a bibliography listing all sources refered to in any particular article.  Imo, use of computers and the Internet is comparable to Cliff's Notes for school work on anything but the college level.  

The thing I have the most concern with computers, is the development of a "point and click" methodology in the minds of young people.  Real life doesn't work that way, but instead requires hard work, and often the setbacks of failure, to accomplish anything of lasting substance.

As far as the reliability of computers in mathematical processes... they are not the final word.  Slide rules are, when it comes to something important like the design and building of man rated rockets.  The computer in the rocket only does what it's programmed to do.  It cannot think...Yet!!!

I'm all for using the computer for serious business, whatever the job requires.  Can't say I agree with dependency on it in schools to educate students.  "Computers in every classroom" may be a bad idea, in the long run.


Les

Btw, I'm a visual graphic artist, and not a big reader, nor math connoisseur.  Unfortunately, I went to elementary school during the "new math", "whole language" period and didn't get much of an education in either one till I went to college.






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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2002, 06:50:08 AM »
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you wouldn't let a stranger, or group of strangers wander into your house and start talking to your kids about who knows what...but that exactly what happens when you plug your kids into the tube and ignore them..someone ELSE is teaching your  kids what THEY want them to learn.. eat crappy food..demand cheap toys..its cool to rebel against your parents...etc.


I don't sweat it as long as I hear Spongebob or Ed, Edd and Eddie in the background :)
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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2002, 07:32:21 AM »
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 You are wrong - as well as most of our school system.
 Net-connected computers make it addictively easy to get information, including opinions and logical justifications.


When I was about ten, my dad came home with some "qbasic for kids" book, thats the day computers became a tool instead of just a toy for me.

IMO basic computer programming should be right next to math classes.  It introduces all kinds of practical uses for math.  i.e. Reading about trig, and solving various problems, vs writing simple games, which do you think would work better?  On top of that, it has all of the same satisfaction of bulding something, except it can be instantly copied.

Programming teaches you to think.  There is virtually no memorization to it, learning a programming language isn't tough, it's learning to actually program that takes time.