Author Topic: Mosquito vs Me410 AAR (Read 1786 times)

whgates3 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 28, 2002, 12:06:53 AM »

the hornisse in the story was on a bombing mission - anyone know if the Me410 carried a bomb sight, an if so, was the bomber version of the 410 unarmed (like the DH. 98 bomber). heavily armed & fast level bomber could be very useful

Dr Zhivago · « **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2002, 02:50:30 AM »

Me410 B-1 (dive bomber/bomber) got two MG151/20 and two MG131 at nose plus two MG131 at remotely controlled rear firing barbettes...
Bomb load
-two 250kg or two 500kg or single 1000kg internally
-two 500kg under wing racks

DingHao2 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2002, 09:02:59 AM »

karnak, the idea behind it jaboing w/ it would be to fly @ 20000 feet or so and then dive over the target and release the bombs...the A-1 and B-1 models had dive bombing sights. it also had defensive armament, making it tougher to kill than the Mosquito Mk. VI.

Karnak · « **Reply #18 on:** September 28, 2002, 04:08:09 PM »

DingHao2,

20,000ft is well in excess of where a Jabo should climb too, especially for a mere 7mph.

Consider that most of the fighters in AH gain more than 7mph going from 13,000ft to 20,000ft. For example, the Spitfire Mk IX does ~375mph at 13,000ft and about 390mph at 20,000ft. So at 20,000ft doing 387mph you are slower in relation to the enemy fighters than you are at 13,000ft doing 380mph.

The other problem with coming in at 20,000ft (I speak from experience in the Mosquito) is that you reach too high of a speed in the dive.

Coming in at ~10,000ft still puts you above most of the enemy and your trip is much quicker. The dive in from 10,000ft works much better as you won't compress. In my experience, if any enemy fighter has bothered to climb above 10,000 to 15,000ft then he has likely bothered to climb abover 25,000ft. P-51D squads, for example, seem to usually be at ~25,000ft.

DingHao2 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 29, 2002, 03:19:50 PM »

the 410's had dive brakes...the idea is to dive bomb and then expend ammo on targets on the ground after the dive.

That 7 mph is actually a significant number for piston aircraft...for modern aircraft (jets), that could translate to 50 mph.

thrila · « **Reply #20 on:** September 29, 2002, 04:51:42 PM »

But remember that extra 7mph is useless because it isn't gonna be a mossie @ 20k chasing you- it'll be a 400mph+ fighter.

DingHao2 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 29, 2002, 09:40:44 PM »

so then why even have a mossie? for that matter why have half the planes here, if they can be chased down? the idea of that extra speed is to make the plane more survivable.

also: after doing more research, i have found the top speed of the 410 A-1 to be 388 mph and for the B-1, 392 mph.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #22 on:** September 30, 2002, 04:27:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Duedel
Heinkel He 219 A-7 Uhu: 670 km/h
Messerschmitt Me410 A-1/U-2 Hornisse: 630 km/h
De Havilland DH 98 Mk.IV Mosquito: 620 km/h
(dont knwo much about other Versions of Mosquito)

That He219 was stripped - no radar antenna, missing guns, no flame dampers - useless as a night fighter.

The Mosquito IV was a bomber, no guns. The Mosquito B IX could do 432mph @29,000ft(695kph @ 8800m).

The Mosquito FB VI did ~610kph while the NF 36 (the contemerary of the He219) did 655kph.

Pei · « **Reply #23 on:** September 30, 2002, 07:08:27 PM »

Whatever the comparison with the Mossie it would still be a cool a/c to have.

whgates3 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 30, 2002, 08:22:47 PM »

in "Pursuit Through Darkened Skies" RAF nightfighter R/O Michael Allen recounts a tail of chasing and being outrun by an He219 in his Mossie XXX

Pongo · « **Reply #25 on:** October 01, 2002, 10:22:04 AM »

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Originally posted by DingHao2
so then why even have a mossie? for that matter why have half the planes here, if they can be chased down? the idea of that extra speed is to make the plane more survivable.

also: after doing more research, i have found the top speed of the 410 A-1 to be 388 mph and for the B-1, 392 mph.

Because the chance of ever having a tail chase deminishes a great deal when you have the extra speed. The engagement does not start with the planes 2000 yards apart. It typicaly starts with the interceptor on the ground and the bomber level at 25k. Try to formulate an intercept on an aircraft that you only have a 15mph speed adavantage on when he is 1000s of feet above you and already at max level speed. You need alot more speed to get him.
Any extra speed makes the plane more survivable. Not just the 2mph that keep it from being over run by a near same speed opponent.
That is why the Germans had so much trouble with Mossies even in day light. They were at alt and at speed allready. So even a german plane with a 20mph ablsolute speed advantage would have a hell of a task to get into an intercept position at all.

DingHao2 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 01, 2002, 06:47:55 PM »

my point exactly.