And people think _'s are bad?

[moose]

JB73 that is not a swastika on the G2.

Do some reading on the Llv34 page to find out what that really is

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by JB73

back to topic .. here is a pic i just did of the 109G-2 in AH....

I thought those were Finnish Air Force Markings, although the look like Swastikas.

[Pei]

While the Waffen-SS was not directly involved in the concentration camps they were responsible for numerous atrocities and war crimes. The Waffen-SS frequently butchered prisoners and were often involved in the massacres of "undesirables" that occured when enemy towns and villagers were captured. A large number of Waffen-SS men where prosecuted and convicted at Nuremburg.

As such I cannot see how anyone can see how a Waffen-SS handle or squad could be considered appropriate.

I also cannot see how any comparison between the LW and the Waffen-SS can be valid. Whatever thier politcal leanings the LW's conduct during the War can in no way be considered similar to the Waffen-SS's.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by GRDuckett


  Well, I guess because in this combat sim I assume that people are interested in the LW because of thier aircraft.  Not due to thier political agendas or moral beliefs.

  What could this flight sim possibly have to do with the SS ?

  On the other hand I can see where it does have alot to do with the LW.

  I just dont understand why this would be an appealing role model for a flight simulator.

Duck

Aces High has Panzers. The Waffen SS had a Panzer division.

Are you getting it yet?

[Turbot]

Originally posted by J_A_B
Some names are just crossing the line, characters or not.  This just doesn't belong in AH and it shouldn't even be an option to use it.  

Attachment should be following:

J_A_B

Oh please!  This is just plain ludicrous.  

Shall we remember this is not real life?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Pei

While the Waffen-SS was not directly involved in the concentration camps they were responsible for numerous atrocities and war crimes.

All 900,000 of them?

I also cannot see how any comparison between the LW and the Waffen-SS can be valid. Whatever thier politcal leanings the LW's conduct during the War can in no way be considered similar to the Waffen-SS's.

You are talking about the same Luftwaffe that dropped bombs on British civilians?

The notion that a LW pilot was somehow more noble than a Waffen SS conscript is hilarious.

[Pei]

More Noble? No
Did the LW systematicaly gather up and massacre civilian? No
Did the LW systematicaly murder POWs? No

The fact remains that Waffen-SS commited more war crimes than any other military organization in the ETO.

All the major airforces during the war deliberately bombed cities and you can easily argue that when it comes to firebombing cities the RAF and the USAAF have got the LW beat hands down.

Is there is difference between this and dragging men and women from thier homes and shooting them in the back of the head? History says yes.

[J_A_B]

Moose--I will bug HTC about the ID thing forever, just as people who wish for a specific plane lobby for it.   Insinuating that I'm an immature brat doesn't make for a good argument, but it DOES make you look like a total jerk.  

Besides, the fact that HTC is known to limit what ID's people can select is at the very HEART of this issue.  I mean, if HTC let people call themselves anything they wanted to and let the community police itself, then the people crying "no censorship" would be right.  

But that's not how it is in AH.  HTC actively limits what people can call themselves and even goes so far as to alter historical markings on equipment in the name of what they see as good for AH.  Their in-game monitors mute people for "being annoying".  HTC takes a very active role in trying to maintain the atmosphere they want in AH.  AH is already "censored", so the people claiming "first amendment" lack any real argument.  

If a racist or bigoted name crops up in AH, then it IS HTC's duty to eliminate it.  They're MADE it their duty.   And, while I disagree with their decision in regards to censorship, they've been consistent enough in application that I have little doubt this issue will soon be taken care of.  That was the original purpose of this thread--to inform them.   HTC has little choice but to act....inaction on THIS issue when they've acted on so many other issues would be equal to them saying they WANT this sort of name in AH.

The rest of this thread beyond the first post is a debate between players and not so much directed at HTC.  

The Waffen-SS was conceptually composed of those soldiers who really believed in Nazi doctrine.  Eventually, when Germany was suffering lack of manpower, some unwilling soldiers may have been forced into the Waffen-SS out of need (this is debatable as to how unwilling they actually were).  Does that in any way change what this unit was created for or what it stood for?  It wasn't just the German army or airforce, it was the "special forces", the Nazi true-believers.

All else aside. whoever would want to name himself after that is a sickwad.  

J_A_B

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Pei
All the major airforces during the war deliberately bombed cities and you can easily argue that when it comes to firebombing cities the RAF and the USAAF have got the LW beat hands down.

Is there is difference between this and dragging men and women from thier homes and shooting them in the back of the head? History says yes.

Of course it does. The RAF and USAAF were on the side that got to write it.

[Saintaw]

Bad taste.

[Nefarious]

Personally I think it is not offensive, But on the other hand I see that this player might have trouble making friends in the main arena.

[Hussein]

What really bugs me is the way people moralise and bloat simple things up.

The fact is that SS existed during WW2. The fact is that Hitler was the leader of the country. The fact is that common, honest people joined NSDAP and followed Hitler as their great idol. They believed that they were doing the right thing, overwhelmed by his charm and propaganda.

Now that germany lost the war, everything nazi related has become a tabu and people make comparisons like those people were devil worshippers and bottomless evil.

If germany would have won the war, similar comparisons would have been made of allied leaders, probably mostly of Stalin.

Many seem to forget that the people fighting on the other side were no different to the common people who fought on your side. They were someones sons, fathers, uncles, even grandparents. If they were nazi, so what? Most of the germans were during those times.

Once again the attrocities performed by a small group of rotten apples (holocaust, landgrabs) labeled the whole mass who in reality had nothing to do with it. It's a bit like labeling all the dem's adulterers and sex maniacs because Clinton made a mistake (in getting caught) which in the end was completely humane and normal thing for a man to do.

[moose]

Hussein gets it

[straffo]

tasteless

SSviking got a new friend in the game.

[Shane]

i think it's totally inappropriate for use as a handle in the game.

whoever it is, is one sick puppy.

since he seems to be rook, if i see him on, i'll glady vector anyone to his position.