Author Topic: Drug use endangers our homes and children! (Read 1122 times)

Maniac · « **Reply #60 on:** October 16, 2002, 01:18:24 PM »

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I was a kid once. I did inhale. I chugged a few, too. I think I can make a fair comparison.

Well atleast an teacher could hold class with pot-smokers, the pot-smokers might even wonder off in the topic the class has and discover new teories etc

Kieran · « **Reply #61 on:** October 16, 2002, 01:20:53 PM »

Funny thing, I don't consider the weed guys to be any more perceptive than the drunks. Both wind up laughing stupidly at their own jokes and don't learn a thing. Maybe your classes were different.

Creamo · « **Reply #62 on:** October 16, 2002, 01:25:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran

Arguing that dropping our standards of behavior in our society will produce less criminals is like arguing dropping the grading scale in school will produce more honor roll students. Sure it will, but you aren't going to like the quality of people you have around you. And would any of you argue the point that setting the precedent for legalizing mj won't be jumped on by advocates of harder drugs, employing the same "well, people are going to do it anyway"?

That's absured as my spelling without WORD2000. (I'll reinstall it soon)

Dropping obscene drug laws on pot smokers does in fact reduce criminals. Define criminal.

Shameful; disgraceful: a criminal waste of talent. Of, involving, or having the nature of crime: criminal abuse.

An Adult that smokes pot is a real criminal? I know many adults on Paxyl, a legal drug, that are better people because of it.

Some that smoke pot and I can't say they are any diffrent from me or you.

And you REALLY think someone that uses pot is a true criminal and supports Herion use?

People that smoke pot and offer no threat to society will ban together to promote drugs that are horribly addictive like alcohol and tobacco, but destroy you 10X's quicker?

Stop the High School Drama Hitler films. It's absurd.

Creamo · « **Reply #63 on:** October 16, 2002, 01:49:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Funny thing, I don't consider the weed guys to be any more perceptive than the drunks. Both wind up laughing stupidly at their own jokes and don't learn a thing. Maybe your classes were different.

Funny, I didn't claim intelligence by being smashed, yet you do by sobriety, but it's actual opinion, rather than fact.

And i am just toejamfaced on Vodka.

Quite a quandary, a'int it?

Maniac · « **Reply #64 on:** October 16, 2002, 01:52:46 PM »

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Both wind up laughing stupidly at their own jokes and don't learn a thing. Maybe your classes were different.

Listen, im talking age 20+ here...

Kieran · « **Reply #65 on:** October 16, 2002, 02:32:34 PM »

Well, well, well...

or is that "oh, my!"

I'd just like you to tell me exactly where I said pot smokers were criminals. OTOH, HC is suggesting it'd be fine by him to legalize all drugs. Further, the alcohol and tobacco issue is being brought by YOU guys, not me. I happen to think they are bad, too.

Smoke your weed, see if I care. OTOH, don't try to blow smoke up my crack and tell me it's gonna make this country a better place to be. Whether we pay tax dollars to jail people breaking laws or pay tax dollars for rehab centers, we're still going to be spending tax dollars because of drugs.

How's that for a quandary?

Kieran · « **Reply #66 on:** October 16, 2002, 02:41:54 PM »

A lil' more, because you say you are drunk...

I am not necessarily saying it will be pot advocates that will go after harder drugs, though I suspect some will... I am saying the precedent set will be used by those that do want harder drugs legalized. Look, all I'm really driving at here is the best argument put forth for legalization is that no one follows the law anyway. Where does that end? Why have laws at all? Sorry, but I am not an anarchist.

Discuss better ways to enforce laws, or discuss better ways to handle the aftermath of a legal drug society. But I won't pretend to believe in the utopian society some of you guys profess is gonna happen the second drugs are legal.

By the way, the "Hitler films" reference gets you big points.

Zapkin72 · « **Reply #67 on:** October 16, 2002, 03:42:15 PM »

if it doesnt have to be processed make it legal...if it does make it illegal...after all pot is a friggin' plant dudes...coke is processed, crank, lsd, angel dust, etc...all processed.

draw the line at processed..

i hope they legalize weed before i get too old to hold my hits without blowing them out and wasting the good smoke.

hardcase · « **Reply #68 on:** October 16, 2002, 05:22:31 PM »

Utopia..america? Never happen.

As long as there is a demand for drugs, whether from poverty, social ills, experimentation, addiction, there will always be a market for drugs. No amount of law enforment is ever going to eradicate the demand. The demand, since it cannot be met by legal means, it is met by the underworld.

The demand is here and is not going away, given our social system producing users. Kieran, the problems you forsee from legalizing drugs are already here. Legalilzing would allow government control:Taxing, distribution, selling by licensed dealers, public abuse laws(hey we have those already for our drunks). There will be the same problems we have now, but the bloated infratstructures could be dismantled. Moneys could be better spent fixing the problem that brings drug abuse on. Treatment for users instead of throwing them to the Criminal Justice System.

The War cost us untold billions, gives untold billions to a criminal class and is totally ineffectual at stopping the real problem. The US demand for drugs.

hardcase

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #69 on:** October 16, 2002, 07:34:12 PM »

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What's the difference between someone whacked on pot or drunk sitting in my class?

Actually on the morning before me exam for procestechnics

i smoked pot

result i passed

same counts for my driving exam after failing 3X sober
i passed while a bit stoned

For me it just relaxes i guess and can make me concentrate good on one thing.

Also in AH try to make a good fightwhile drunk
it's impossible

I fly AH 90% while a bit stoned to

I know i suck
especially in the p38

Maniac · « **Reply #70 on:** October 17, 2002, 01:55:13 AM »

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I fly AH 90% while a bit stoned to

I found out that i sucked at flyin AH when i was not smokin... could have be due to habit tough...

miko2d · « **Reply #71 on:** October 17, 2002, 11:38:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Look, all I'm really driving at here is the best argument put forth for legalization is that no one follows the law anyway.

Valid argument would consist of each side presenting a list of specific points and addressing them one by one.
One of the nice properties of the bulletin boards for stroking one's own ego - you can selectively ignore strong points of opponents arguments or even all of them and reply to your own fantasies.

You are coming up with nonsensical arguments and attribute them to opposition instead of addressing valid points of drug-legalisation program.
Well, at least you are always guaranteed to win an argument.

miko

Raubvogel · « **Reply #72 on:** October 17, 2002, 03:10:53 PM »

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Originally posted by SC-Sp00k

If you dopeheads werent smoking it, then we could concentrate on things that matter.

That's the funniest thing I've read all week. Thanks for the laugh. I didn't realize I was a dopehead.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #73 on:** October 17, 2002, 03:13:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead

Raubvogel, I have forgotten more about drugs than you will ever friggin know sonny. . Don't call me a prude and I won't call you a punk, OK? Now go smoke your bong:)

This is pretty frikkin funny too.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #74 on:** October 17, 2002, 03:23:11 PM »

How many years and how many wasted dollars is it going to take to convince people that this great "War on Drugs" is a huge waste of resources as it's now structured? Bottom line: If something is broke, you need to fix it.