Bali bombing

[SC-Sp00k]

Originally posted by miko2d
In my view the bomb blasts that killed them were just symptoms. The real cause of their death was stupidity, ignorance and wishfull thinking.

 If you want to visit a muslim country and have fun there, join the Marines. You may not get to enjoy as many underage asian prostitutes, but at least you will be the one doing most of the blowing up...miko

Because I have just classed you as the worlds biggest F&**ing idiot, I shall refrain from bothering with the reply I wish to present you.

[Vulcan]

I'm not talking about hate-mongering, I'm talking about cutting some scum out of the gene-pool.

So -dead-, you obviously thought the suicide flights into the World Trade Center were justified too?

Originally posted by -dead-
Nice one Vulcan - that doesn't sound exactly like the sort of idiotic hate-mongering "kill anyone whose opinion we don't agree with" mentality that fuels terrorism or anything.

[-dead-]

I'm not talking about hate-mongering, I'm talking about cutting some scum out of the gene-pool.

You say tomato...

So -dead-, you obviously thought the suicide flights into the World Trade Center were justified too?

Which bit of the last post i made leads you to suspect that I do? I was merely pointing out that your attitude of "I disagree strongly with miko, so I want him dead" seems analogous to the terrorists "I disagree strongly with the USA, so I want them all dead" line. I think both are equally unjustified and idiotic, and I said so.
I also disagree with miko on this point, but unlike you, the Ayatollah Khomeini, or many terrorist groups, I would not call for a person's death just because I disagree with them.

[Sandman]

Before 14OCT, the U.S. State Department listed Indonesia:

Indonesia is experiencing a major political transition, and unrest and violence can erupt with little forewarning anywhere in the country. Due to the continuing threat of serious violence, American citizens should avoid all travel to the regions of Aceh, Irian Jaya (also known as West Papua), the Moluccas, Central Sulawesi and West Timor. All travel by U.S. and other foreign government officials to Aceh, Irian Jaya and the Moluccas (provinces of North Maluku and Maluku) has been restricted by the Indonesian government because of security concerns. Private Americans should adhere to these same restrictions. Travelers should consult the most recent Public Announcement or Travel Warning for Indonesia for updated information on travel within the country. Public Announcements and Travel Warnings can be found on the Bureau of Consular Affairs' home page at http://travel.state.gov/. American citizens in all parts of Indonesia should exercise prudence, remain vigilant and avoid demonstrations and other situations that could turn violent.

One noted exception to the rest of the country was Bali:

The tourist destination of Bali has been largely free of the disturbances seen in other parts of Indonesia. All tourist facilities are operating normally, and to date foreigners have not been the specific target of any group.

Still... I'd think twice before going anywhere in Indonesia.

If you're going to travel abroad, best to check for a current advisory:

http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html#i

Miko does make a good point. The third world is a dangerous place to travel lightly... especially if you're white anglo saxon.

[Vulcan]

I don't 'disagree strongly' with him - that is giving him way to much credit. I think hes a mental retard who has no value to offer  the human race.

Hes not putting forward any sound or valid argument, he has no idea of what hes talking about, he also exhibits a complete lack of knowledge of the region, and seems keen to validate this massacre. I'm just saying the morons like him (ie morons who try to justify the murder of innocents) should be removed from the gene-pool. Just like I think any moron that tried to justify sept 11 should be removed from the gene pool too.

I think there'd be a few Aussies who agree with me too.

Originally posted by -dead-
Which bit of the last post i made leads you to suspect that I do? I was merely pointing out that your attitude of "I disagree strongly with miko, so I want him dead" seems analogous to the terrorists "I disagree strongly with the USA, so I want them all dead" line. I think both are equally unjustified and idiotic, and I said so.
I also disagree with miko on this point, but unlike you, the Ayatollah Khomeini, or many terrorist groups, I would not call for a person's death just because I disagree with them.

[miko2d]

Obviously not everyone grasps a difference between "justify" and "explain" or "predict".
 I stated the reasons why Indonesia is not a safe place for vacationing westerners. More than a year ago US Department of State issued a warning to that same effect. Neither me or US Department of State is trying to justify what happened.

 -dead-, you mentioned you disagree with me "on this point". Which one is that you disagre and why - I'd like to hear a reasonable opinion. I was pretty sure I was stating an obvious in my post.

 I do disapprove of people from democratic countries supporting corrupt regimes and hostile cultures which declared war on our values - whether it's americans buying saudi oil, canadians buying cuban sigars or australians buying indonesian prostututes.
 There is a war that was declared on us and is going on for all the attempts to ignore it.

Dowding: I still haven't heard from my friends back-packing out there. They were passing through Bali on their way to Australia.
Miko - you are a diddlying idiot. You are scum.
-tronski-: Got friends there as well. Your a diddlying idiot

 Idiot or not, unlike you two, I actually helped prevent my friend from going to Indonesia last year - despite all the reassurances of safety and friendliness. So I did not have to worry about his safety.

 miko

[Eagler]

this is the problem with your posts in this thread, you make it sound like EVERY one of the tourist killed were there to have kid sex, that it was THEIR fault they were murdered

you come off like a sick and twisted perv in the above posts

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Eagler
you come off like a sick and twisted perv in the above posts

No he doesn't.  In fact he says that he says that these acts are reprehensible.


BTW.  Anyone booking a trip to Iraq?  Why not?  If your friends were hurt in the explosion then I'm sorry.  But it wasn't a bright move taking a trip there.

[Ripsnort]

Yeah, should have just stayed home and got drunk, right Thrawn?  Just like the terrorists want ya, cowering in the corner.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, should have just stayed home and got drunk, right Thrawn?  Just like the terrorists want ya, cowering in the corner.

Oh right, so I guess you plan on taking your family to Kuait or Bali this year?

We are talking about personal responisbity here.  Is it the victims fault that they got blown up?  No.  Could they have not been there?  Yes.  It's a dangerous place for christ sake.  But I'm sure you and your family will have a good time.

[Ripsnort]

Did you miss this part?

The tourist destination of Bali has been largely free of the disturbances seen in other parts of
                                 Indonesia. All tourist facilities are operating normally, and to date foreigners have not been the
                                 specific target of any group.

[miko2d]

Originally posted by Eagler
this is the problem with your posts in this thread, you make it sound like EVERY one of the tourist killed were there to have kid sex, that it was THEIR fault they were murdered
 you come off like a sick and twisted perv in the above posts

 I am sorry people got that impression. I obviously did not mean every australian or even significant part of them are pedophiles. I am sure most of the australian tourists are not looking for sex and of those few that do most abide with australian government mandated age of 16 (which would still make them rapists and child-molesters according to our american culture and law).
 Anyway, sex is not the only thing that clashes with backward muslim culture there - the style of clothing, intermingling of men and women, alcohol, music, etc. are likely to provoke hostility from militants.

 People went into an area with "Danger" signs all over the place for no better reason than to have a party and risked their lives in the process. If they knew all the odds and though it worth it, fine - their decision.
 If they were not informed of dangers - then they were ignorant or misled by their friends or travel agents.

 miko

[Dowding (Work)]

Piss off, Thrawn. He was basically slagging off friends of mine (whose fate at that time was unknown to me) and hinting they were only there for sex tourism! He's a tit of the highest order.

He'll be bringing out his 'Bell Curve' bollocks next, trying to prove they were intellectually inferior or something. He's a loon.

BTW, I don't give a flying f*** about your 20/20 hindsight "They shouldn't have been there' moralising. It would have been small comfort should anything have happened to them.

miko2d - does the thought of sex with children give you a rise? You seem to be very stuck on this subject, considering it has nothing to do with the bombing...

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by miko2d


 

 People went into an area with "Danger" signs all over the place for no better reason than to have a party and risked their lives in the process. If they knew all the odds and though it worth it, fine - their decision.
 If they were not informed of dangers - then they were ignorant or misled by their friends or travel agents.

 miko

So, NYC and DC are very dangerous places today, is it the fault of Victim #11 at Home Depot, or the 3,000 in the WTC that they were at the wrong place at the wrong time?

[miko2d]

Ripsnort: Just like the terrorists want ya, cowering in the corner.

 We have not secured our homeland for our families and democratic countries for our friends from the threat of terror. Or our oil supplies.
 I would not spend a penny of my taxes or risk the life of a single american soldier to ensure the "right" of an australian tourist to have a party in a muslim country.
 The terrorists want us out of their countries? Fine. Let them rot.

Did you miss this part?: The tourist destination of Bali has been largely free of the disturbances seen in other parts of Indonesia. All tourist facilities are operating normally, and to date foreigners have not been the specific target of any group.

 So if you were a terrorist, where would you strike? I guess they did not miss that part either.

 Thrawn: Oh right, so I guess you plan on taking your family to Kuwait or Bali this year?
 I am not sure about Kuwait, but travel to Bali is going to be a bargain from now on. Cheap airfares, no owercrowding in the hotels or restorants, basement prices, attentive staff. Let's have the next AH conventon there!

 miko