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J_A_B · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2002, 05:45:05 PM »

"I dont count wep as true plane performance"

That is your mistake then. How an airplane performs when it's on climbout and crusing around doesn't matter in a combat comparison.

J_A_B

Wilbus · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2002, 07:04:30 PM »

http://www.jannousiainen.net/online_sims/jg_4/index.htm

ergRTC · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2002, 07:25:17 PM »

THAnKS wilbuz! I have been looking for that since I uninstalled my old browser.

I dont agree that wep is that important. It may be for a german plane, or 1 on 1, but when your going into a stale fight I tend to believe that most pilots only use there wep when they are climbing out or chasing. Not entering the fight with that E.

small difference

I was flying axis all evening, and it is a very close fight. None of the planes stand out particularly. The 202 is fast and climbs really well, but not that well. 110 is very competent as long as your careful, and the 109e does handle well if you dont pancake it like me.

ergRTC · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2002, 07:28:36 PM »

Oh the java charts are wep. I feel that is slightly misleading for speed and even climb, since planes like the 109 and 110 have plenty of wep, while the p40 and hurri do not.

Wilbus · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2002, 07:31:29 PM »

Plessure Erg

The planes are comptetive yes, the 202 can do whatever it wants basicly, climb away with eas. Problem is NON of the axis planes can get good kills fast. Today, I hit a P40 from 50 yards, lit him up good in 3 snapshots (not just one or 2 pings more like 10, and atleast a few were 20mm) but not untill the 3:d snapshot he actually died. (was in a 109). Guns just suck which makes furrballs VERY hard to LW. 1 on 1 fight, pilot skill will determine it all as most planes are quite equal in performance.

Wilbus · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2002, 07:46:09 PM »

Erg, 109 E and 110 C and G don't have more wep then P40 and Hurricane, just as short in all those planes. Not untill you get a 109 F and later do you have 10 minutes.

Also, it is the wep that matters, when you need to run/chase, you use wep, when you need to climb away from a fight, you use wep. No need for it otherwise except to gain some extra (sometimes well needed) power in turnfights. So the WEP performance is actually the one needed most for good plane comparisons.

ergRTC · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2002, 07:58:13 PM »

I had the same experience tonight, i must have put 30 to 40 rounds into a p40s rearend, not a darn thing. THey were all 7.7s (109). Amazing, makes my ego hurt when I think of how many p40s I have lost to the lw.

I will cede the climb wep to you, but the speed wep is misleading. Hitting wep when trying to extend does not increase your acceleration greatly (as far as I have noticed). It does help when leveling from a dive, but that is only one situation.

Are you sure the wep is as short lived for the germans? It really felt like the lw and 202 had longer wep than the p40. I may be crazy though. I am about to go up as allied, so I will investigate for myself.

Kweassa · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2002, 08:36:27 PM »

Positive, erg. Neither the Bf109E or C.202 uses the advanced types of WEP systems as seen in the later years. The Bf109E WEP runs hot after about 5 minutes, like every other plane, and so does the C.202 and Ki-61.

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As for the balance issues, I agree with Yeager and Mudd. To me the 50+ numbers furball didn't bother me much, but all the hissing and cussing caused by certain individuals made me think about what the CT is and what it can become. If the highlight of Lybia for me was the two-plane patrol duty me and Fatz did(though Fatz did become a little pissed at Odee, which I feel sorry for..), the low point was yesterday's 50+ people CT which some people just couldn't keep their mouths shut. I'd accept some naughty taunting in the Axis vs Allied spirit

, but intentional flames, name-calling, whining.. * sigh *

CT offers generally more balanced situations in numbers and plane types, but then again some aspects of historical matchups aren't balanced at all. A typical case is A6M5s and Ki-61s having to fight F4U-1s. If I were in the MA, no way I'd willingly fight F4U-1s in a Zero. I'd just take up my favorite late war rides and blast it away. But because it is the CT I'd gladly fight against those odds. Finding ways to overcome such odds with some organization, planning or cooperativeness is another big fun factor for the CT.

The key is enjoying the environment of the CT as a whole. If you're out to achieve satisfaction by lonewolfing around and shooting down large number of enemys gaining 7~8 kills like in the MA, it's never going to work, because the limited planesets make sure you're not it a super-craft which will outturn outrun outclimb outgun everything else by a humongous margin.

The thing is some people think they've won the fight when they use "superior" skills to grab the 6 of the enemy. When they can't shoot it down and it chooses to run, they follow it like a dog chasing a ball, find themselves surrounded by enemies and gets blasted away. Maybe one shouldn't be so aggressive as to try and kill everything with such lmited firepower and yet, they try. Then they get shot down for it. Then they find something or someone else to blame. Why?

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I've seen the tide of battle turn about 4~5 times in a single sector with equal numbers when 50+ people were on line. No side totally dominated the other.

ergRTC · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2002, 10:44:46 PM »

100% kweassa

I apologize for trying to get someone to shutup earlier today, as I am sure my poking at the moron was nearly as annoying or more so than the moron himself.

I think you really hit the nail on the head with the how many kills scenario. I do think it is possible to play that way though. In every setup there is a fastest and best climber of the bunch. For example in this setup if I wanted to lonewolf it I would grab a 202 and just be careful. That plane climbs better, accelerates, and has a higher speed at every alt. All you have to do is watch your ammo and shoot well. I think what MA people miss is being able to take that plane into a furball of other people fighting and picking off the fat.

In the CT getting a good radiator or oil hit is pretty much the same as knocking a wing off.

anyway, it was fun tonight. Our boston mission was a complete failure cause we couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, but at least most of us made it home.

1Duke1 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2002, 11:00:35 PM »

Side of the barn hell.....I missed the whole dam farmer's field!!!!

(note to self: never, NEVER get in a bomber again)