HTC, you plan on doing anything about this?

[straffo]

ROTFLMAO

good one fariz ... and so true

[Hussein]

For some people it is a fun. If it is no fun for you, what makes you to fly this way, when you can easily switch?

Fariz people who fly rooks won't switch because they would make the situation even worse. You're being silly just suggesting that.

If all the unhappy rooks would switch the 200 vs 50 situation would become 225 vs 25. Now how would that help gameplay?

Besides most rooks would get bored to hell trying to find that one red icon between the 20 teamies who already are chasing it down á la bishland. I for one would absolutely hate BOTH flying underdog 200 vs 50 or as gangbanger 200 vs 50.

Players who insist on keeping the current setup are weenies who can't hold their own in a balanced arena. They want only easy kills so they jump to the largest country. From there it's easy to shoot out lame comments to the few who are working their tulips off trying to survive in the unbalanced situation.

This problem has lasted for years already and I doubt it will ever change - that would require bish players to grow some sense of gameplay and it aint gonna happen.

This crappy attitude in AH was one of the reasons I quit playing AH. Not the only reason, but a quite strong one anyway.

[Fariz]

Originally posted by Hussein
Fariz people who fly rooks won't switch because they would make the situation even worse. You're being silly just suggesting that.

Thanks for kind words

Now, just look at this situation from a different angle:

We are here to have a fun from a game (I am not talking about masochists, but they do not complain about numbers If some reasons (country loyality, spirit of competition etc.) makes you to fly the outnumbered country, then it is your choice.

If it will be 25 rooks, but those who enjoy flying rooks, situation will be this way, 3 country system will be 2 country system, but we will have no numbers whines again and again. I flew beta, when it was 3 countries at map, and 2 coutries with numbers. It was like 30/25/2, with nits having less than 10 anytime of day. It was still playable, and still fun.

As I said, 3 county system currently does not work, but one thing when you try to solve the problem, other when you threating that you cancel account. First is discussion, second is whine

[straffo]

Players who insist on keeping the current setup are weenies who can't hold their own in a balanced arena. They want only easy kills so they jump to the largest country. From there it's easy to shoot out lame comments to the few who are working their tulips off trying to survive in the unbalanced situation.

humm ... it's your interpretation
I fly with my closest friend regardless of the country or the number
I've been bish when bish were NOT having number for month (in my timezone) during a long time (one year +)
I then switched to knight to fly with other friends and for a change
(facing Fariz is more fun than following the smoking wreck he spread on battle field )

If you want to reverse the current situation you just have to recruit 10/20 dedicaced strat pilots no more just ask fariz how the "infamous typhoon mission" started ?
From memory the first was mine (if I'm not mistaken) when I was a DCO for the Firebird squad night (I'm so proud ).

This problem has lasted for years already and I doubt it will ever change - that would require bish players to grow some sense of gameplay and it aint gonna happen.

Years You're joking  ???

I recall having seen rook reset the bish 3 time in a row in less than 6 hours (well it was soon after beta end ) and number were something like 10/30/30 (bish rook knight)

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Booky
Just curious if HTC is going to do anything about the numbers in the MA? At peak times they are fairly even, but for all other times of the day/night the bish and knights have about 3 times as many than the rooks. Thats each of them, not just one.
 

It used to be the same way for Knights.  We were the side that the Bishops collapsed to get the reset.  Then our numbers went up and we became competitive.  I suspect that you'll see an increase in Rooks over the next couple of months.

[Pepe]

Originally posted by straffo


... I fly with my closest friend regardless of the country or the number ...  

So when are you going to admit it and fly Rook?  


Cheers,

[Pepe]

Originally posted by Fariz
... She had a lunch with Straffo...

Well, I think exactly the opposite...  

[Hammy]

I must admit i do feel a tad of sympathy for the rooks, and i have on a couple of occasions switched for a day to help them out.

My squad is a dedicated Bish squad so i wouldnt switch to Rooks anyway, that may be a problem for a lot of people.

Only those squads that rotate seem to balance out the arena to some extent, but the Rooks are woefully outnumbered most of the time.



Hammy

"ONLY" the dead have seen the end of war.

[Elysian]

I have to (cringe) agree with Hammy, I'm a knight and maybe 5-6 months ago we were in the proverbial bucket for about 2 months.  Sure, lots of targets, but also I remember having our bases perpetually porked.  Since we were getting reset constantly, after every reset enemies would immediately pile on us and repeat the process.  In short, it sucked.

I think the demise of AW and since for some reason a lot of old AW guys picked knight, it pulled our numbers out and we became competitive again (pure speculation).  Regardless, we ended our turn in the bucket.

But rooks have been in the bucket for way longer than 2 months, I totally sympathize with them.

I'd suggest to my squad (JG 2) to switch for a tour, but don't know how well that would go over.  We have a lot of friends on knights and are comfortable/used to it there.

[Jag34]

"It used to be the same way for Knights. We were the side that the Bishops collapsed to get the reset. Then our numbers went up and we became competitive. I suspect that you'll see an increase in Rooks over the next couple of months."



It use to be the same in Air Warrior and every few months the numbers would change giving the underdog side the advantage. The same will happen here. But for those whinners that want to leave the Rocks, let them leave and join one of the other sides. Then that'll just give us that stay, a bigger "Target Rich Environment"

In the past month I've had to learn better ways on flying and staying alive longer then 1 minute in a dogfight then in the last year and a half of flying AH. Because of the odds against us.
So HTC, leave it the way it is. Our numbers will came up again in a few months. But until it does. Bring on those TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENTS!!!!:D

Jag34
Tigers

[Urchin]

I'm not sure if the Rooks have been in the "bucket" for a year, but I'd definately say the trend is for the Bishops to have numbers, over the past year.  

Granted, that is a generalization, but it seems to me the Bishops usually have the most numbers, followed by the Knights, and the Rooks bringing up the tail end.  

I think the Rooks biggest problem is that there is some weird mindset most AH players have.  You can log into the map and kinda tell.  If the numbers are 100 Bish/ 95 Knight/ and 60 rook, it is either going to be 160 on 95, or 195 on 60.  I hardly ever see Rooks and Knights both hitting the Bish hard and mostly ignoring each other.  It is usually either Bish and Knight hitting Rook, or Rook and Bish hitting Knight.  

I don't know if it is because people are scared to fight the country with numbers or what, but it seems to me that it usually ends up being that way.

[phaetn]

Booky wrote:

Just curious if HTC is going to do anything about the numbers in the MA? At peak times they are fairly even, but for all other times of the day/night the bish and knights have about 3 times as many than the rooks.

That's totally a player issue.  HTC shouldn't get involved in "player balancing" as it is all naturally determined by the community itself.  I, for one, don't want to be unable to fly for a particular team because numbers in the arena dictate that I can't.  For a scenario that's fine, where strict historical issues have to be met, but not in the MA.

If things are "uneven" it's up to the players to right it.  Note this isn't a partisan post, I'm not criticising the Rooks in any way, shape, or form.  If it never gets righted, then so be it, the players have determined that they want it that way.  Given that all the aircraft are the same for all sides (i.e. not limited by nationality/origin)  then it's really strictly a player determined issue.

Cheers,
phaetn

[OIO]

Silly rooks, the answer is obvious.


FLY N1KS!!!

The Ultimate Equalizers.


This has been a whine added on a whine. Pass the cheese!

[Halo]

Right on, Phaetn -- it's a player issue.  HiTech and crew have wisely established an odd number of countries to maximize player dynamics.  

What we do with our three choices is up to us.  Fewer (two)countries could easily be too boring or lopsided; more countries could easily be too complicated.  

Although ... hmmm ... wonder what it would be like with four countries (hearts, spades, diamonds, clubs)?  Probably too complicated.  

The best way to guarantee balance (assigning players to a country as they sign on each time) would make permanent squads impossible.  

And some people prefer to lone wolf it rather than play on a team anyway.  

Yep, the current country trio is brilliant, just like the rest of Aces High.

[Scary]

Well I fly Rooks for two reasons:
1. The Prez of Nits plays poker with Sadaam.
2. Elvis isn't pumpin gas in Kalamazoo after all. The Bish kidnapped him and are holding him at A4!

If this were widely known perhaps there would be more Rooks!

If you want to solve the numbers thing, then autobalance the MA  like Counterstrike does. If you are a member of a squad that is Knight, then you stay Nit etc. If you are not in a squad, you are automatically assigned a country based on numbers for the night.   You could request a country but might not get it. This would also solve the problem of people changing countries just to get the perk points.

However, since I am not in a squad and enjoy flyin Rook, I do not favor this... but it would solve the balance problem.