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Offline HFMudd

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« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2002, 12:08:34 PM »
I got quite a kick out of Shane's current squadron name in the CT last night when I first saw it.  For those of you who have not seen it is, "Make the Bad Man Stop."

Pretty humorous in light of this thread.

As to ganging, I'm not sure we are all talking about the same thing.  My definition of ganging is when one side builds up a large advantage in numbers and then turkey shoots the poor dudes on the other side.  This happens from time to time in the CT but I find it tends not to last long since most of us will switch sides at the drop of a hat.

The other definition of ganging seems to be 3:1 in a given fight regardless of the arena balance.  For my part, I try to avoid getting involved if my side seems to have the upper hand.  If that does not seem to be the case I'll wade right in.  I expect others to more or less wade right in to any fight I'm involved in as well.  (Perhaps that is because I so seldom have the upper hand.)  

It's strange when you think about it.  Most of us fly the CT in order to get a little closer to actual historical matchups.  Yet we complain if the matchup or the gameplay gets too realistic.  Can you imagine Hartman, McQuire, Boelcke or Ball hovering above a fight an thinking, "Hmmm, looks like those boys are well matched, I better stay out of this one."

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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2002, 12:14:26 PM »
Good post Oldman.

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« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2002, 12:44:04 PM »
How about a group hug? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2002, 02:10:04 PM »
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Hartman, McQuire, Boelcke or Ball hovering above a fight an thinking, "Hmmm, looks like those boys are well matched, I better stay out of this one."


No, you are quite right and if you go over a fellow's base I expect if you get 4 or 8 to 1 you are asking for it.  On the other hand, with only 12-20 a side, is it too much to suggest that--since this is not as you note the real war and nothing much is lost by sitting one out--when you see a 2 to 1 that there is enough weight of arms already for your side and you might wish to stay out?  In the constant scrum furball, what the heck, dive in and have fun, but in a remote fight, no pressing issue, suirely 2 on 1 is enough and I reckon I for 1 will try my damndest to say "I'm out on this one fellers, have fun."  However, it is for all to decide for themselves and I don't begrudge being jumped by 4 guys, that's part of war you know.  

When I choose to dive into 6 guys, I get what I am asking for, but I personally don't wish to jump into anymore 2 or 3 to 1s (in CT) in hopes that I am the guy who gets the kill.  That's what the MA is for and it goes along with efficiently destroying the other guy so you can acquire land--a perfectly acceptable mindset for war waging I believe.  

Besides, if I stay out and the outmanned fellow wins a hard fouht victory over 2 or even three enemies, I can honestly enjoy my salute prior to shooting down the ammoless and luckless sap while he limps home.  

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Just kidding on that last you know.  Thanks for all the help offered, kind words, and good times on CT, it's the best part of AH (after my good looks) no question.
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« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2002, 02:55:28 PM »
If I see that the one bad guy is about to turn the tables and kill one of the good guys, hell yeah I'm jumping in.  Otherwise, I won't blow my alt to club a helpless enemy.

All in all, Shane is the perfect example of why we need a persistent squelch list.  Lots of people (based on this thread) don't want to listen to him on a regular basis, and it would save them from having to type .squelch Shane.  ;)
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« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2002, 04:30:31 PM »
Great post Oldman! :)   I don't know what the CT's reputation is or should be but from my limited observations it appears to be a microcosm of the MA minus some of the landgrabbing.  I do like the historical matchups though (even if both sides tend to pick the most uber kites available) and it does, however fleetingly, satisfy my Walter Mitty syndrome making it at least worthwhile... but what does a lamer-tard like me know anyhow :P..
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« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2002, 05:20:43 PM »
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I suspect that the CT is now a victim of its own reputation.  So I can understand why someone would be surprised, in a bad way, to find ganging, landgrabbing, vulching, that sort of thing, in the CT.  I am also disappointed when I see it.  FWIW, I have noticed an increase in this sort of thing, even among people I would consider to be long-time CT denizens.  
On the other hand, I have yet to figure out what pleasure can be gained from being so unpleasant about it.  The utility of the complaint itself is lost in the reaction to the way the message is delivered.  Just look at this thread.  So far as I can tell, this is the first post, other than Shane's, to mention the substance of his complaints.  Everyone is focused on the way the complaints are rendered.  
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as far as I can see, being polite about it, i.e. your comment the other day "why must you pork the base?" when there was no base operations in progress, gets absolutely no response at all.

being "polite" doesn't work, gameplay doesn't change for the better. people trot out the same old tired MA retorts, "you have bad SA" lol, i do? really? you think i never see the one that gets me? especially when it's the 3rd lazy lumpwad that comes in to pick me off while i'm already low and slow turning with 2 others?

if *i* go diving down in a big group of 4,5,6 enemies, you won't see *me* whining about getting ganged. i knew full well what i was doing.

here's a perfect example of what i mean by ganging..  i'm relatively near an enemy base, not right at it but off a bit i pull a spit away from the lemming trail for as nice little 1 on 1 (even the spit was higher than me)... in the distance fairly far off are 3 enemy dots, at the extreme end of the visual range, maybe 11k or so.  so here i am turning with the spit, not easy when you're already lower to begin with... then all of a sudden boom! those other 3 dots came into the fight... so now it's 4 on 1... wow, poor SA huh?  if one wanted to be "real" about it, at least 1 or 2 of the 3 that came in would have stayed up on high cover -  but noooooo all 3 had to jump in... wow, such a display of skill!  excuse me if i call that lame. excuse me if i call a tard someone who says i have poor SA.

lame is also refusing to try when you're 1 on 1 and you come tearing in with an advantage, probably even in a better plane, and i turn the tables on you and you end up running like hell for friends or acks.  not extending to try again, pure and simple running.  this is a game, jeez, try and learn how to fly an dyou might be surprised at how well a preceived disadvantage can be overcome.  you die often enough while trying, you'll eventually get better and start actually winning.  how many of *you* have bounced me from an advantage only to end up in tower? or have been on my 6 and suddenly find you're the one being shot at?  you think i was born with this? think i have soem super PC?  i fly on a p2 333 and i took my lumps to get to the point where i'm capable of flying the way i do.

another example?  vulching.  what's the point of vulching when there are less than 10 people on? the base isn't trying to be captured, it's simply vulching for vulching's sake.  don't up a "capped" base.... lol, teh base isn't being capped for anything, it's simple vulching.  "up a different base"  yeah sure, charlie, most CT setups bases aren't really that close to each other, you think i want to fly 10-15 mins to arrive at the "capped" base to find them gone? and thehn fly another 10 mins to their base looking for them?  sorry... vulching for vulchings sake is.... lame.

lopsided numbers? often the number balance corrects itself over time, and i'm one of the first to switch sides when an imbalance occurs. but sometimes the odds can stay out of balance for quite a while.  this isn't so much an issue for me, i'll just point out how nice it is to have 2,3:1 odds on sides, but i won't go off about it.

you won't see me getting upset about the ebb and flow of numbers in a furball. it's when i'm avoiding that furball, deliberately, and *still* get a 3,4 on 1 situation that I consider lame.  it's just not needed. the point someone made about galland staying out of a fight is simply not relevant to a "game."ff cap stick with their job and escort buffs to and *from* a mission, even if the low fighter sweep/furball looks so tempting and the buffs have dropped already?  hmmm?  the guys who claim to be running it like RL, i simply laugh at, because they're not. CT is just basically a furball arena gussied up in fancy duds.

what really bothers me is how people think throwing out a faux somehow makes all the lameness "OK" and what bothers people about me is getting called out on that lameness - i'm simply peeling back the veneer of "politeness" and exposing the ugly MAness beneath the surface.

and my god, come on, people!! the strongest words you see from me 99% of the time are "lamer, dweeb, tard, seal"  lol, even the little kids gets the good ole standby of "sticks and stones..." from their parents.  lol, gawd, you're such overly sensitive lil weenies.

so yeah, MA-style lameness will get MA-style putdowns from me.

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« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2002, 05:56:35 PM »
Gee Shane, funny you brought up vulching.  Saturday when I logged on, for once the Allies were undermanned.  So I grab a Temp from 3.  I see that the ack is down, but take off anyway.  I check around, set a couple of views, and woosh an El-Gay-Seven zooms by high from aprox 12:00.  I'm about a mile past the end of the runway.  He yo-yos, I try to extend, but am too low, slow and get clobbered right away.

Now I'm certainly not one to knock vulching, but to try and pretend like you wern't Shane... well shame-on-you,... Mr. High-and-Mighty Non-Dweeb.  Sheesh.  You were hangin around an ack-down-field waitin for an upper.  You then circled to base for a few minutes till I upped an ostwind.

At least I admit that I vulch.

You've got to keep all you stories, facts and claims straight if you want to pretend to be so dang noble Shane.

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« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2002, 06:36:21 PM »
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Gee Shane, funny you brought up vulching.
woosh an El-Gay-Seven zooms by high from aprox 12:00.  I'm about a mile past the end of the runway.  He yo-yos, I try to extend, but am too low, slow and get clobbered right away.
At least I admit that I vulch.
You've got to keep all you stories, facts and claims straight if you want to pretend to be so dang noble Shane.
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sorry, i don't vulch for vulching's sake,  i don't recall popping you in a temp in that situation, and believe me i would if i did.  i will generally wait out side of a base, even allowing people to get some alt, especially when there's few on.  ask p6ehawk, ask kikbts ask several others.  however if there's a bse grab on, i might supress (vulch) if there's troops inbound.

but in general, no i don;t vulch for vulching sake's unless it's for a recent payback of someone doing that.

i will also gladly be at 10k and bounce people who blissfully head out from their base thinking they're safe and secure on the lemming trail.  best way to get 262's is with a temp shortly after they've taken off and are merrily puttering along and grabbing.

but vulching for vulching's sake?  not even something i do in MA, much less CT.  i like the way you're making things up tho'. besides as you said... you were already wheels up beyond the runway, a good distance past, if what you said is actually true, i sure don't recall it, and i know i don't have a reputation for being a vulcher.

you admit you do. you're also a milker, an ack runner and even ganger, in general you're one of the lamer dweebs in CT.


interesting you're calling it an "el-gay7" when it's just about the only competitive plane in teh current setup.  i notice you in 262's a lot, plus a tempest apparently... yet "el-gay7"  your *MA* roots are showing, lamer.
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« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2002, 07:04:23 PM »
Ok, replying to my name being called out. Shane has never vulched me just to be vulching. Shane is a dogfighter nothing else. Shane fights as I have wanted to fight for a long time. Shane has made me shut my mouth about what I am flying. I tellya he could out turn me in a zero if he were in a F4U if he wanted to.
Shane I hate to ruin your pesky teenage reputation but you are a nice guy when it comes to downright dogfighting 1 vs 1 in an empty arena. You remind me of ME as much as I hate to admit it. Not that I am disrespectful as you but that you are tired of they way guys fly. Sure nobody seems to want to down right dogfight anymore. Whoever has the fastest airplane always uses the B and Z (airplanes capability) more than none to the capabilities of the pilot. I will be the first to admit that I let the airplane fly me instead of me flying the airplane. It would be nice if you would stop slandering people and teach some of us how to dogfight. But then again, you need to be carefull what you wish! I salute  your combat skills but refrain from commenting on your social skills.
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« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2002, 07:29:55 PM »
:D  SHANE... Like Mister Hawk says, yer a hard act to follow in the air. That is for sure and for true.

Yer easy to squelch, when the 'listening' gets too distracting.  Which is something everyone should try at least once, instead of wasting all this UBB space on slamming another player.

You pay your dime and fly your time how you see fit  When you're ready to pass on some of your valuable information/tips/tricks... give me a holler, because you for sure know how poor I am in the air/acm thing.

All you other lamers can just press your squelch button. :D

(joking about 'you other lamers')

Yes... I have been accused of 'whining' and being 'lame' too.  But then the way I fly only improves others scores, so ya can kiss my cheeks and chew my shorts all ya want. :)
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« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2002, 07:54:41 PM »
LOL Shane, very convenient selective memory…  
Ah… gee, I don’t recall that…
um, I know that I would have remembered…  duh…
You vulched me Shane, not like I don’t deserve it, not like I even mind.  I’m sure that you don’t have a reputation for vulching, but you and I both know of at least 1 recent situation where you did.  The oddest thing about it was that after you killed me, you said nothing… Channel 1 was silent, and you weren’t too busy fighting anyone else to talk, cause there were no other Allied planes up.  Perhaps you were too ashamed of yourself to admit on channel 1 that you “scratched 1 tard” because you figured I might have replied that it was a vulch kill.  So unlike you to be silent.  

Um, Shane, where was the goon?

Pretend to not remember all you want Shane.

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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2002, 08:00:44 PM »
Heh shane, I hear they fight real nice over in fighter aces.

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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2002, 08:01:11 PM »
Guys I have uhhhhhhhhh..... a secret.:(

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« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2002, 08:10:34 PM »
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LOL Shane, very convenient selective memory…  
Ah… gee, I don’t recall that…
um, I know that I would have remembered…  duh…
You vulched me Shane, not like I don’t deserve it, not like I even mind.  I’m sure that you don’t have a reputation for vulching, but you and I both know of at least 1 recent situation where you did.  The oddest thing about it was that after you killed me, you said nothing… Channel 1 was silent, and you weren’t too busy fighting anyone else to talk, cause there were no other Allied planes up.  Perhaps you were too ashamed of yourself to admit on channel 1 that you “scratched 1 tard” because you figured I might have replied that it was a vulch kill.  So unlike you to be silent.  

Um, Shane, where was the goon?

Pretend to not remember all you want Shane.

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a mile off base is a vulch? were you having a hard time taking off?? oh, new definition?  a CT definition? or a lamer definition? or simply a tard grasping at straws?

i bounce people off their base, i'll do that sure, now if anything *that's* poor SA on their part.

not that it matters because i don't remember doing so, and if it were *you* you can be damn sure i'd have remarked on it. i'd definitely have said something to the effect of "scratch one tard."

talk about being "selective." stop grasping, just 'fess up to your lameness, revel in it, glory in it - stand tall!!

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