Author Topic: F4u (Read 842 times)

Mooja · « **Reply #15 on:** October 25, 2002, 01:35:01 PM »

heh, Innominate, yes a snap roll. I always get a kick out of the steadfasts who defend attack/fighter planes that are not able to do standard evasive maneuvers. It's always the pilots fault cause "they're not flying it right." A rock makes a good fighter too just as long as you don't try to fly it.

If you feel the spin is recoverable perhaps you like to tell me how, maybe provide a short film clip? You've obviously never experienced this reversing death spiral if you think you can do it with flaps and aerilons. All planes tend to perform better for you when you learn to fly them on thier edge. I do thank you for the response but you wrote three paragraphs and managed not to say a single thing.

AcId, that's a good point about the left wing stalling. That would indicate the direction you snap is cruical. I tend to be right handed for some reason maybe because that's the direction the plane wants to go naturally.

MaddogJoe · « **Reply #16 on:** October 25, 2002, 04:06:29 PM »

The trick to the stall is NOT TO GET IN ONE!!! LOL!!! I fly the hog (1D) most of the time. It does everything ya need to... bomb, BnZ, and yes Turn and Burn!. As you start getting slow in the hog, drop a notch of flaps. The slower you go, the more flap you use. I've had the hog down to 150, and still was fighting IN CONTROL! You must be easy on the stick, but it will stay in the air. This suprises alot of people, and you can pick up a kill getting the enemy to stall. Of course ya don't want to do this with enemies all around

use the speed and accelaration to get away to regain your advantage. Best of all, whan ya kill someone with your hog, they don't call you names for killing them with a "dweeb" plane

LOL!!!

Maddog Joe

Innominate · « **Reply #17 on:** October 25, 2002, 04:12:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Mooja
heh, Innominate, yes a snap roll. I always get a kick out of the steadfasts who defend attack/fighter planes that are not able to do standard evasive maneuvers. It's always the pilots fault cause "they're not flying it right." A rock makes a good fighter too just as long as you don't try to fly it.

If you feel the spin is recoverable perhaps you like to tell me how, maybe provide a short film clip? You've obviously never experienced this reversing death spiral if you think you can do it with flaps and aerilons. All planes tend to perform better for you when you learn to fly them on thier edge. I do thank you for the response but you wrote three paragraphs and managed not to say a single thing.

The corsair is most definitly able to do everything you've mentioned. It is, however a touchy plane. Your plane isn't going to recover itself from a snap roll, it's going to spin unless you stop it.

Perhaps you should post a film of what exactly you were doing. I can't manage to produce a spin I can't recover from. Also, what do you use as your rudder control?

poopster · « **Reply #18 on:** October 26, 2002, 01:59:32 PM »

1-D is my ride and I can't remember getting into a spin I couldn't recover from. Unless I was on the deck

In fact I can't remember the last time I spun her. Light touch and riding the stall horn is the ticket. That and time in the seat.

51 is a different story for me, done a few face plants from decent altitude stall fighting...

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #19 on:** October 26, 2002, 03:48:44 PM »

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Originally posted by poopster

51 is a different story for me, done a few face plants from decent altitude stall fighting...

Just curious as why you would stall fight in a P51? The 51 is more A BnZ type plane or Energy Fighter! Stall fighting it, you would expect a spin.

TC
Damned
http://www.damned.org

poopster · « **Reply #20 on:** October 26, 2002, 05:45:07 PM »

TC it's this way..

All out in the world all by yourself and a lone con comes in..

Might be co-alt, might have some alt on you.

He might be flying a Pony, a 190, a Jug who knows. But you see it's just you and him..

..all alone.

Any one on one of similar a/c's will end up a slow knife fight sooner or later regardless of what that particular fighter is "good" at.

In that position, the ablility to fly your a/c slow, on the edge of a stall is the difference between living and dying...

Knife fighting in E fighters is where "touch" comes in, your on the edge, and falling over the edge is at least a full blown stall if not a spin.

If you can fly the Pony on the very edge of controlability, you'll surprise quite a few "turners" in the process.

But you pick the spot when it's to your advantage to do so.

I don't fly them enough to be proficient at slow speed handling..

Talk to Rude, he knows his Pony.

Practice doing an immelman in a Corsair with an entrance speed of 300 with wep, on coming out on top, do a second immelman when your speed reaches about 190. You'll come over the top at about sixty without flaps from the second immelman. Takes a heap of rudder to keep it from snapping. And it takes practice.

Try getting the entrance speed to the second immelman as slow as you can. Get good at it.

Slow speed handling WILL come in handy. And fits nicely into your bag of tricks

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #21 on:** October 26, 2002, 10:29:31 PM »

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Originally posted by poopster
TC it's this way..

All out in the world all by yourself and a lone con comes in..

Might be co-alt, might have some alt on you.

He might be flying a Pony, a 190, a Jug who knows. But you see it's just you and him..

..all alone.

Any one on one of similar a/c's will end up a slow knife fight sooner or later regardless of what that particular fighter is "good" at.

In that position, the ablility to fly your a/c slow, on the edge of a stall is the difference between living and dying...

Knife fighting in E fighters is where "touch" comes in, your on the edge, and falling over the edge is at least a full blown stall if not a spin.

If you can fly the Pony on the very edge of controlability, you'll surprise quite a few "turners" in the process.

But you pick the spot when it's to your advantage to do so.

I don't fly them enough to be proficient at slow speed handling..

Talk to Rude, he knows his Pony.

Practice doing an immelman in a Corsair with an entrance speed of 300 with wep, on coming out on top, do a second immelman when your speed reaches about 190. You'll come over the top at about sixty without flaps from the second immelman. Takes a heap of rudder to keep it from snapping. And it takes practice.

Try getting the entrance speed to the second immelman as slow as you can. Get good at it.

Slow speed handling WILL come in handy. And fits nicely into your bag of tricks

I think your trying to teach me something here?
I appreciate it, I am just another newbie on AH,
I have no idea on earth what I am doing, but I am sure you fine people will be of great use to me,
I appreciate your lil training lecture there poopster, don't know what I could have done with out it. Thank you!

Dang I Need To Go Practice

TC aka TequilaChaser
of the Damned
http://www.damned.org

Fancy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 27, 2002, 10:38:04 AM »

I've been a 190 driver the past month or so, and I've been thinking about ranging into F4Us for jabo missions and just to generally broaden my portfolio of flyable planes. Can anyone tell me what the differences are between the two as far as handling is concerned. I know they're somewhat similar and both described as E-fighters.

poopster · « **Reply #23 on:** October 27, 2002, 02:27:29 PM »

Wow sorry TC, forgive me..you asked....its the help pages..

Silly me..

So the question is then, why are you here ??

It must not have been a serious question in the first place..

So again, the question is, why are you here ??

The help section is for help, that's why I posted in the first place.

Wanna screw around, come over to the main board, I'll join you.

If not, don't ask questions here and not expect to get an answer..

That's what this section of the board is for..

If you have something to contribute I'm all for seeing your view on things..everyone has a different take on things..

Looking at your stats, you do some time in the Pony and the 1-D doing fairly well, so what's your take ?? This is the help section remember ??

If you don't have something to contribute, have no questions you'd like input on..

Why are you here ??

Want to learn how to quote ??

Fancy they're very similar. Flying the 190 you're used to getting close, the 50's just shred in close

Have very little time in 190's here, flew 190's exclusively for years in WB. If you like 190's, I think you'll love the F4U.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #24 on:** October 27, 2002, 05:34:55 PM »

Originally posted by poopster:
Wow sorry TC, forgive me..you asked....its the help pages.. Silly me..

-Your apology is noted & accepted

So the question is then, why are you here ??
It must not have been a serious question in the first place..

-I come here often to get the views of others, I was curious as to why you would stall fight a 51, I got my answer. We all have came across a situation where one fight- similar aircraft - would end up in a knife fight. Your answer/opinion/comment was one I took as something you do often, ie...stallfight the 51. my bad!

So again, the question is, why are you here ??

-Done told you!

The help section is for help, that's why I posted in the first place.

-Thanks For Posting!

Wanna screw around, come over to the main board, I'll join you.

-No thank you, you are not my type! btw can you actually screw around on messageboards? am curious to know?

If not, don't ask questions here and not expect to get an answer..
That's what this section of the board is for..

-No Kidding

If you have something to contribute I'm all for seeing your view on things..everyone has a different take on things..

-I contribute when I feel a need, alot of others here do a fine job, including you,

Looking at your stats, you do some time in the Pony and the 1-D doing fairly well, so what's your take ?? This is the help section remember ??

-I don't bother with stats, they don't tell the whole story. btw.... what is your AH handle, it's not poopster, just looked and you haven't flown in the last 3 tours.

If you don't have something to contribute, have no questions you'd like input on..

-I had a question you answered it, enough said.

Why are you here ??
Want to learn how to quote ??

-I am hear to make people like you wonder,"why is he here?"

now since you asked, my take would be, even though you come across a similar type AC...all be it a 51, F4U, FW, Tiffy etc I would still strive to bleed the "E" from my opponent, while still maintaining my "E". I would not ( try not to) give in and allow my "E" state to deminish below that of what would cause me to stall. Unless of course if I was in the vertical, going over the top...etc... I would try to work my oponent to cause him to bleed his "E" with different manuevers, sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. Most of the time 3 of his countrymen jump in and mess the whole thing up, thats the main arena for you, LOL.

I have opinions, questions, comments, just like everyone else, but don't jump down my throat with your BS, and we will get along fine.
I made a freakin comment to your post to me, I guess it nerved you, now I apologize to you for coming off so arrogant.

Sorry For The BS between me and poopy in the Help & Training Section.

Most of the people that reads these boards, know who I am, and also know how much I enjoy helping others. Even though it might not show on the boards, and as for this thread, I didn't ask for help, I asked why would you stall fight a 51?!

Scratch that......alot know me...and those who don't will........( soon as I get Wldthing's cheat code majiggy a workin! hehe kiddin of course) He flys a 51 pretty darn well!!!

poopster · « **Reply #25 on:** October 27, 2002, 06:02:29 PM »

No TC poopster has never flown a sortie in AH. After coming back to this board from a few years ago it told me nopoop was already here, and I couldn't use the name..

So had to pick another..

Sorry for the outburst, I thought yours was a legitimate question and answered it as such. You have 12 posts, I thought you were new to the game.

So few people fly the F4U as a fighter, this thread caught my eye. The vast majority jabo with it, I like to see guys flying it as a fighter..

The

in the response just got me going.

My apoligies <-- one day I'll learn to spell that word

I find K/D, K/S, K/T and hit percentage pretty accurate in "seeing" how one goes about flying. Can be gamed, yes, but difficult to game them all. Hit percentage tells alot all by itself in it's specific relation to the rest, but that's a whole new discussion

BTW you CAN screw around on the Main board, but you wake up the next morning sore in unusual places, speaking from personal experience..

We now, both TC and I, without further ediu, return you to the Help and Support Forum..

Thank you for your patience..

NOD2000 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 28, 2002, 12:18:26 PM »

well, all i have to say is i find that the best way of killing people unexpectadly is "rope-a-dope" of course u have to be doin 300+, but still it always throws someone off.

Kweassa · « **Reply #27 on:** October 28, 2002, 07:23:18 PM »

Too bad feed isn't playing AH anymore.

feed was probably the best of the Corsair pilots ever in AH, in the top of the top class with guys like Whels or Cav(more famous for his hellcat with Math..

).