Author Topic: Next Setup? (Read 1371 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #15 on:** October 28, 2002, 05:08:47 PM »

Here's a joke of a setup idea for you once 1.11 is released:

IJN/IJA:

A6M2 (1941)
B5N1 (1938)
D3A1 (1937)

vs.

USN/USAAF/RAF

Boston Mk III (1942)
F4F-4 (1941)
F4U-1 (1942)
Hurricane Mk I (1940)
Hurricane Mk IIc (1941)
P-40B (1940)
P-40E (1941)
SBD-5 (1943)
TBM-3 (1942)

EDIT: Added the F4U

Wotan · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2002, 05:11:16 PM »

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"Balance" is a joke.

I am glad you are starting to see that Karnak

Nothing like fighting a 1944 p38l at 30k in a 1942 109g6

or an eastern front setup where you have g2s vrs yak 9us

But even then the lw is much better off then the ijaaf/ijn. Even the russians with what little they have for planes they are still the best of the lot.

But you (ijaaf/ijn fans) do have the n1k2 and th ki-61 version with cannons so that oughta make up for it.

Karnak · « **Reply #17 on:** October 28, 2002, 05:25:13 PM »

Yeah, the N1K2-J that gets whined away as an "MA" aircraft every time it is added to a setup and the Ki.61-I-KAIc that isn't appropriate for any setup before 2nd quarter 1944.

If the July, 1944 P-38L is in a setup, the Bf109G-10 also ought to be in that setup.

We need more early war Russian birds, not early war Japanese birds. The Japanese need late war birds so setups can be done against all the late war US birds we have. We have enough early war German and Italian birds to do East Front setups, but other than the Il-2 Type 3 there are no Russian aircraft that even approach being appropriate.

The Bf109G-14 would make an excellent addition to the German fighter planeset.

(As a side note I thought the Bf109G-6 first entered service in 1943. Am I wrong?)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2002, 06:01:47 PM »

Yep Bf109G6 is a February-March 1943 plane.

What LW need are a new Bf109G6 with MW50 or a G14 all of which came with MW50. Plus of course the G6 3D model has to be rebuilt because its based on the G10 fuselage - stramlined MG bulges et all...

An interesting new CT setup would be the 1941-1942 Phillipines attack. There would be only Japanese CV and all the US Army fighters - P40B, P40E basically the early ones would be used from landbases. I dont think Wildcats were used in the Phillipines. Perhaps the Ju88 could simulate the early Japanese bombers, certainly this would be less of a performance and defensive fire issue than lets say the Ki-67.

The basis of this scenarios fighter combat would be P40 vs A6M2, which makes for fun basically even fights considering what we know now and what P40 pilots did not know back then.

HFMudd · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2002, 06:05:49 PM »

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Yeah, the N1K2-J that gets whined away as an "MA" aircraft every time it is added to a setup and the Ki.61-I-KAIc that isn't appropriate for any setup before 2nd quarter 1944.

This makes it sound as if the N1K2-J is a earlier plane than the Ki.61. I was under the impression that the N1K2-J didn't even reach Navy trials until April 1944. Only 60 of 428 total were completed by the end of 1944.

Or am I missing the point like an Emil trying to get a d300 snapshot?

Jester · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2002, 06:15:00 PM »

I have seen the problem from both sides having flown Navy birds with VF-27 Hellcats and the Japaneses birds with the 27th Sentai and I can tell you for a FACT that the Japanese plane set is the one getting the "PROP SHAFT."

What we need are more late war Japanese birds like the FRANK & JACK fighters & the JUDY & GRACE (that's for you Brady

) bombers.

Before you say it - I know we have the GEORGE (Niki) but folks lets face it - it's not a FRANK and the paper ZERO's and early carrier bombers are basicly a joke. Good for an early war set-up but only fit for "target practice" & Kamakaze runs in the late war set ups.

I for one would LOVE to see the Japanese get some better planes. This would make the combats in the arenas more intense and would open more late war scenarios for the CT like the Philippines, Okinawa, Iwo Jima or even the Battle of Japan.

IMO the Allied side has more than enough planes in their hangar for the moment. The Axis is the side that needs a real boost.

We really need to see the following A/C first in 1.11:

JAPANESE: (First priority)
FRANK (First and formost!)
JACK
KI-100
SUSIE
GRACE (ok, ok Brady I got it in!

)

GERMAN:
HE-177 (Formost)
ME-210/410
JU-188/288 (or JU-88 with gun nose)
JU-52

ITALIANS:
(The got the 202 & 205 already - best of the lot fighter wise)
SM 79 SPARVIERO (Medium Bomber)
PIAGGIO P. 108 (Heavy Bomber)

Karnak · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2002, 06:21:57 PM »

I may be a member of the 27th Sentai, but at this point I cannot see any reason to participate in early Pacific Theatre setups in the CT. They are now hopelessly in favor of the Allies and would only be aggravation and stress for me as a Japanese participant.

Until the gross inbalance is addressed I see no reason to provide myself as a sitting duck of a target to VF-27 and 880 FAA.

cajun · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2002, 06:33:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
We have enough early war German and Italian birds to do East Front setups

Ummm... we have 1 italian early war plane

But you are very right, we definitly need at least 1 early war russian fighter, and I-153/16 are pretty much the only planes that really fit that catagory well IMO.. and we cant have one without the other

brady · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2002, 09:17:54 PM »

I think how I feal about the Japanese planeset has been document enough in the past and my theripest says I nead to "let go man" and move on...so moving, A Cant z 1007 for Italy would certainly be the best Bomber italy could hope for, see blue link bellow on my sig, and a C 200 fighter, which realy was the early war Italian fighter, much more so than the 202, in fact only a few 202's were even in Russia like 12 the rest were 200's and the 200 was a Jabo bomb capable. The Sovites desperatly nead a few early war planes, like the I 16, and a Buff.

Thank you Andi:)

One thing we must all try and remember, they havent finished showing us what all were geting, just because Japan, Russia, and Italy are sucking hind tit now, does not mean that they will not move up the line. Just do like I did last update, wait till we get the patch then get realy upset:)

brady · « **Reply #24 on:** October 28, 2002, 09:23:18 PM »

Check out this for a New Russian Ftr.:http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49969

brady · « **Reply #25 on:** October 28, 2002, 09:28:53 PM »

My coments on the kate from a post asking about it a couple weeks ago:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66829

Löwe · « **Reply #26 on:** October 28, 2002, 09:30:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
I may be a member of the 27th Sentai, but at this point I cannot see any reason to participate in early Pacific Theatre setups in the CT. They are now hopelessly in favor of the Allies and would only be aggravation and stress for me as a Japanese participant.

Until the gross inbalance is addressed I see no reason to provide myself as a sitting duck of a target to VF-27 and 880 FAA.

Hang in there Karnak. The 325th is up to four pilots already, we'll fly IJ with you guys during PTO's, we've decide to do this because Erg was mean to me a couple of weeks ago.

Slash27 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 28, 2002, 09:42:27 PM »

dammit erg:D

As an Allied flyer I hope you guys realize I would love to see a balanced planeset aswell. It just makes it better for all of us.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #28 on:** October 29, 2002, 01:36:18 AM »

Kate?????
As long as we are going backwards in time....how about the USAAC 1933 Curtiss P-6E Hawk? BLAHAhhahaha However, the Kate will make for nice torp runs.

Wotan · « **Reply #29 on:** October 29, 2002, 03:23:21 AM »

The 109g6 is basically the same as the g2 with a strengthened airframe making it heavier.

It saw service in Feb '43 but its basically a '42 plane.