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Offline whgates3

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ID the A/C 2577
« on: October 30, 2002, 12:18:34 AM »
post mortem verdict?
i expect there will be a correct answer by the time i get back from 'the O' club'

Offline chunder'

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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2002, 12:48:34 AM »
Looks like a Brewster Buffalo in the foreground, not a clue on the one in the background.

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2002, 01:00:14 AM »
Yeah, looks like a French Buffalo.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2002, 01:51:44 AM »
correct brewster buffalo burnt, but not nearly to the point of being beyond recognition - dont know which AF it was with, but this certainly may put to rest it's legend of invincibility

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2002, 03:53:52 AM »
S!


 Well..those later models like F2A-2 and F2A-3 were considerably heavier thant the F2A-1 and Model 239 which FiAF used during WW2. Also the tactics used by FiAF made the BW a real killing machine. T&B could be done but B&Z was the prime tactic giving the opponent little to do. Add to this team tactics honed to perfection and high morale and there U go...This applies to any plane: use proper tactics in it with good team work;)

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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2002, 06:47:37 AM »
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yeah, looks like a French Buffalo.


I can find F2A's that went to Finland, Belguim, the Dutch, Australia but can't find or recollect any French F2A's. Can you fill in the details of the French useage.

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2002, 07:01:51 AM »
Hehe, not exactly a glorious story:

"The first B-339B (flight tested before delivery under the US civil registration of NX-56B) was on its way to Belgium when the German blitzkrieg overran the Low Countries, and the ship carrying the plane was diverted to France. This plane was apparently later captured by the Germans and was test flown.


The next six B-339Bs were diverted to France. They were sent to Canada and loaded aboard the French aircraft carrier Bearn, along with a batch of Curtiss SBC Helldivers and Curtiss Hawk 75A-4s that had been purchased for the Armée de l'Air. The Bearn sailed on June 16, 1940 and was in mid-ocean when France fell. The carrier was diverted to Martinique (a French possession), and the six Brewsters along with the other aircraft aboard were unloaded. They sat for months parked out in a field while international arguments took place about their true ownership and their ultimate destination. There was some concern on the part of the United States government that the Vichy regime in France might become an active German ally and that these aircraft might present a threat to the nearby Panama Canal. Finally, the planes sitting on Martinique were destroyed on the ground by sabotage, probably by Allied agents to prevent them from falling into Axis hands."

Aren't there French markings on that wreck? ... I could be wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2002, 12:31:03 PM »
aww....poor Brewster Buffalo

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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2002, 06:19:39 PM »
this site says it's a Belgian Buffalo captured by the Germans and destroyed at Darmstadt ...

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Buffalo.htm

same picture ...

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2002, 06:38:54 PM »
np. Looked like french markings to me. :)
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