Author Topic: Time for ANTI-GUN people to put their money where their mouth is! (Read 3254 times)

Dummy · « **Reply #225 on:** August 18, 2006, 08:50:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Would you please post the homicide rate for England, Wales and Scotland for each year since the ban?

It doubled from 1998 to 2002 - that's the gun homicide rate (England + Wales). I really don't see what banning guns does to take them out of the hands of criminals.

tapakeg · « **Reply #226 on:** August 18, 2006, 09:03:30 AM »

Why reply to a post started in 2002?

Nashwan · « **Reply #227 on:** August 18, 2006, 09:10:54 AM »

The number (not rate, the population is increasing) of firearms homicides in England and Wales:

1993 - 71
1994 - 63
1995 - 66
1996 - 47
1997 - 58
1997/98 - 52
1998/99 - 46
1999/00 - 61
2000/01 - 72
2001/02 - 97
2002/03 - 77
2003/04 - 73
2004/05 - 60

That's only a doubling if you take the lowest figure and compare it with the highest. Overall, allowing for yearly flucutations (because there is such a small number, the flucuations are quite large) the number is the same, the rate is down (because of population growth)

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #228 on:** August 18, 2006, 09:32:02 AM »

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Originally posted by texace

But see...if that happened in school...we all know that the parents of this screwed up child wouldn't be blamed. Games like GTA or Counter-Strike would be...cause we all know it's not the poor little child's fault...

Duh! Guns don't kill people, kids who play video games do.

ack-ack

lazs2 · « **Reply #229 on:** August 18, 2006, 09:52:02 AM »

so nashwan... at the very best... your law only took firearms away from law abiding citizens and created new laws against them for....

no reason at all.

The increase in both crime and homicides is real... the only difference is... you have made the good people helpless and the government more powerfull.

not the kind of outcome I would wish for our country

lazs

Momus-- · « **Reply #230 on:** August 18, 2006, 09:55:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Dummy
The amount of people who believe New York or America was the murder capital of the world beggars belief. Actually it may have been (or certain parts) in the late 70's/early 80's [/u]but certainly not the late 80's/early 90's in the midst of the crack cocaine explosion.

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Originally posted by beet1e
Please advise me if there is any other city in the world outside America which has or had a murder rate higher than that of New York in the 1970s/1980s...

So you actually agree with him then?

lukster · « **Reply #231 on:** August 18, 2006, 10:01:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
So you actually agree with him then?

I don't. I didn't look up the numbers but I doubt that all of the murders from 1970 to 1989 in New York City combined even come close to this: http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume02/014/287.htm

Momus-- · « **Reply #232 on:** August 18, 2006, 10:04:34 AM »

Fair enough Lukster, I wouldn't know the answer. I just thought it funny that he was attacking an argument he apparently agrees with.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #233 on:** August 18, 2006, 10:58:02 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
feel threatened when many of you live in smart middle class neighbourhoods.

If you live in a mostly white middle class area, chances are much greater you'll live near a serial killer... FYI.

Did nobody see what happened after rained in New Orleans?.. even in the safe middle class areas? The total breakdown of the Govt at every level, no more hired guns from the Govt to help you because the so called 'officials' proved to be totally incompetent.

How about the 92 summer games (shoot, loot, run) in Los Angeles? hundreds of thousands left to defend themselves as we sat at a bus depot waiting for some City leader to make a decision... gee, more incompetence from those responsible for protecting 'you'... which is why I choose to protect myself.

It's really a simple matter, for some folks like me, of wanting to live & protect my family without needing anyones help. I have chosen guns because they will work when the phones & 'officials' don't.

People get 'fat dumb & happy' because 99% of the time everything is fine.. but even in the USA, we are all 1 natural / civil disaster away from being left totally hung out to dry.

It's not about dooms day or some religious nuttiness, its about being prepared and not relying on the Govt to save my families life.

Sixpence · « **Reply #234 on:** August 18, 2006, 11:23:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Santa,
What makes you think I attend church? I've never posted my personal religious feelings on this board, I've only posted that the religious types are the first to be blasted in posts.

As far as my religious beliefs, you can email me and I'll give them to you...I don't feel comfortable posting them on this BBS, too much venom.

Now you know how a librul feels:D

Dummy · « **Reply #235 on:** August 18, 2006, 11:55:18 AM »

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Originally posted by tapakeg
Why reply to a post started in 2002?

I haven't seen anything in the rules that stops me from doing so.

Dummy · « **Reply #236 on:** August 18, 2006, 12:01:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
So you actually agree with him then?

Are you looking for an argument?? Gee there's some petty people on here. Agreeing with what? I have no idea what you're referring to. The guy was asking for cities that have or have had higher murder rates than New York. I gave him the information with the peak murder statistics for all those cities (Including NY), no more, no less.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #237 on:** August 18, 2006, 12:05:56 PM »

amen marine

just had UPS drop off 120lbs of ammo

Momus-- · « **Reply #238 on:** August 18, 2006, 12:50:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Dummy
Are you looking for an argument??

Not really.

It amused me that you jumped on what beet1e suggested about New York being the murder capital of the world in the '70s/'80s when in the same post you implied that he might be right.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #239 on:** August 18, 2006, 01:27:09 PM »

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Originally posted by BGBMAW
amen marine

just had UPS drop off 120lbs of ammo

I wanted to add, in 6 years as a cop responding to 1000's of calls for service minus any disaster / riot, I can count on 1 hand the number of times I got somewhere in time to keep something horrific from happening.

As a matter of fact, we were near totally useless in preventing violent felonies... we just responded to them.

Most of the time, the police simply will not make it in time and it's up to you to be the 1st line of defence, not just for yourself, but your loved ones. You don't need a gun, a smart plan could be your best defence.. but plans fail and things go wrong leaving only you, the criminal and your loved ones until the police arrive.

I personally choose to be my own 1st line of defence, if a burglar is already in my house... the police have already failed to protect me once. It's not my style to wait for them to fail again when my loved ones could be in danger. A cop 4 miles away driving to my house does my wife in the same room no good.

It's a fantastic thing that as Americans, we can choose do that... if you choose to let the govt hired guns protect you & yours, thats your option & opinion, just be happy you have a choice.