Author Topic: Bring the Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank" to Aces High (Read 5807 times)

Mitsu · « **Reply #360 on:** August 06, 2004, 05:40:19 PM »

Finally.....

United · « **Reply #361 on:** August 06, 2004, 05:56:56 PM »

Erm, Karnak, in the pics posted by NATEDOG, it looks like theres a turret in the nose...? or is that just something else?

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #362 on:** August 06, 2004, 06:22:50 PM »

what's gonna be the top speed @ deck? sub 400 or above 400?

Karnak · « **Reply #363 on:** August 06, 2004, 06:37:48 PM »

United,
Air intake or other engine related doodad.

Quote

Originally posted by Ike 2K#
what's gonna be the top speed @ deck? sub 400 or above 400?

Erm, not even the Tempest or La-7 breaks 400mph at sealevel.

I have seen numbers and statements ranging from 320mph to 370mph. My guess would be that it will fall in the 340mph to 360mph range, probably in the 350s.

There are so many numbers out there for the Ki-84 that we really just have to wait for HTC to release it and then see how it performs in AH. Guessing is really futile.

J_A_B · « **Reply #364 on:** August 06, 2004, 07:40:13 PM »

"There are so many numbers out there for the Ki-84 that we really just have to wait for HTC to release it and then see how it performs in AH. Guessing is really futile."

That pretty much sums it up.

J_A_B

Mitsu · « **Reply #365 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:06:13 PM »

can't wait
can't wait
can't wait......Arrrrghhhh!!!

brady · « **Reply #366 on:** August 07, 2004, 10:14:07 AM »

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #367 on:** August 07, 2004, 11:12:09 AM »

i expect it's gonna be the plane with the most whines about.

even now it's allready about it's speed.

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #368 on:** August 07, 2004, 01:19:44 PM »

hmmmmm, am i right?

The Ki-84 has a top speed of 392 without the use of WEP

The Ki-84 has a top speed of 400+ with WEP

Mitsu · « **Reply #369 on:** August 08, 2004, 04:44:17 PM »

P-kun uploaded a translation Ki-84 Flight Manual Data.
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/picsouko/Ki84Data.txt

This Data is from "Rikugun Koukuu Souranbu (Japan Army Aviation Pandect) written in Jan 1945".
He wants Pyro to read it.

The data is worth reading?

Kweassa · « **Reply #370 on:** August 08, 2004, 05:45:21 PM »

Can't seem to access it.

The txt files can be downloaded, but it is sort of corrupt on my comp.

Mitsu · « **Reply #371 on:** August 08, 2004, 06:03:26 PM »

It can be viewed with Internet Explorer 6.

2bighorn · « **Reply #372 on:** August 08, 2004, 08:03:57 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Kweassa
Can't seem to access it.

The txt files can be downloaded, but it is sort of corrupt on my comp.

All fuel and oil tank
Tank is bulletproof.
Tank's rubber is 12mm.

Cowl flap:
To out side:20‹
To in side:5

Elevator:
Control lever: Wing:
Forward: 20‹191mm Down 20‹
Back: 30‹284mm Up 30‹

Aileron:
Control lever: Wing:
Left: 22‹210mm Down 15‹
Right: 22‹210mm Up 20‹

Rudder:
Rudder pedal: Wing:
Forward and back:30‹127mm Left and right 30‹

Elevator trim tab:
Handle: Wing:
Forward turn 4.9 Down 12‹
‹ Back turn 4.9 Up 12‹

1 turn is about 2.5‹

Flap:
Close: 0‹
Takeoff 15‹
Landing 30‹

Neutral angle of Control lever: 11.5‹from Perpendicular line to forward.

Cockpi seat angle: 12.5‹from Perpendicular line to back.

Cockpit seat adjuster: 150mm

Thickness of bulletproof steel plate for seat: 12mm

Flap contorol:
3 action
CloseE15‹E30‹

Action of flap angle to 15‹ from 30‹ is , Angle 30‹¨Close¨Angle 15‹
Result, Airplane loses alt.
Action of flap angle to 30‹ from 15‹ is same it.

Elevator trim tab:
Takeoff:
Weght: 3300`3400kg(Training)
Center of gravity: 25.4`26.1
Tab angle: 0‹

Weght: 3767kg
Center of gravity: 26.6
Tab angle: Down 2‹

Weght: 3900`4000kg
Center of gravity: 28.4`29.0
Tab angle: Down 3‹`4‹

Landing:
Center of gravity: 25 or more
Tab angle: Up 5‹

Center of gravity: 24 or less
Tab angle: Up 12‹

Crusing:
Adjusts to the extent that a without-holding flight can be performed.

Fighting:
Keep 5‹or less.

Remove drop tank max speed: 400km/h

Landing gear lamp:
Up: Red
Down: Blue
Moving: don't flash

If you down flap to 30‹ when landing gear lamp is not flash, alarm sounds.

Fuel gage:
If oil tank is less than 10 liter, fuel gage flash red.

Cylinder temperature gage:
Switch 1 is temperature of 4th cylinder in front row:
Switch 2 is temperature of 4th cylinder in back row:

Main fuel tank full loadF
217LiterF151.9kg

Left and right wing fuel tank full load:
346LiterF242.4kg

Left and right leading edge fuel tank full loadF
134LiterF93.8kg

Drop tank full loadF
200LiterF140kg

Methanol tank full loadF
130LiterF117kg

Engine oil full loadF
60LiterF54kg

Ho103 Ammunition : 12.7mm x 350 x 2 = 58.8kg + 10.5kg

Ho5 Ammunition : 20mm x 150 x 2 = 79kg

Center of gravity:
3763.7kg 3912.7kg 4012.7kg 3337.6kg 3385.8kg 3059.5kg
Gear up 26.6 28.4 29.0 25.4 26.1 23.6
Gear Down 26.2 28.0 28.0 25.0 25.7 23.2

Diving speed Limit: 750km/h

Acceleration Limit: 5G

The speed limit by the flap angle:
15‹F270km/h
30‹F250km/h

RandingGear Up: Following 250km/h
RandingGear Down: Following 350km/h

Oil pressure
Max:0.35
Normal:0.30
Min0.25

Methanol pressure
Max:0.9
Normal:0.8
Min0.8

Engine oil temperature
Max:85Ž
Long time using:60`70Ž
Min:40Ž

Cylinder temperature
Max:230Ž
Long time using:200Ž
Min:70Ž

Engine "Ha45-21" r.p.m/ Inhalation-of-air pressure
Emergency(1 min): 3000rpm/+400mmHg
Militery(30Min): 2900rpm/+250mmHg
Normal Max(long time): 2000rpm/+100mmHg
Crusing: 1800`2000/-100mmHg`-200mmHg
Permission maximum(30sec): 3200rpm/-200mmHg

Takeoff Status:
on Runway.
Takeoff Time: 15sec
Takeoff Distance: 360m
Meter speed: 150km/h
Boost: +250
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Flap angle: 0

Takeoff Time: 15.5sec
Takeoff Distance: 310m
Meter speed: 140km/h
Boost: +250
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Flap angle: 15

Takeoff Time: 15sec
Takeoff Distance: 320m
Meter speed: 150km/h
Boost: +350
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Flap angle: 0

on Grassy place
Takeoff Time: 16sec
Takeoff Distance: 450m
Meter speed: 150km/h
Boost: +250
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Flap angle: 0

Takeoff Time: 16sec
Takeoff Distance: 390m
Meter speed: 140km/h
Boost: +250
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Flap angle: 15

Takeoff Time: 16sec
Takeoff Distance: 420m
Meter speed: 150km/h
Boost: +350
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Flap angle: 0

Landing Status(Full Payload, Calm):
on Runway.
Landing Time: 17sec
Landing Distance: 390m
Meter speed: 135`140km/h
Flap: Full down
Brake: use

Landing Time: 53sec
Landing Distance: 910m
Meter speed: 135`140km/h
Flap: Full down
Brake: not use

on Grassy place
Landing Time: 15sec
Landing Distance: 370m
Meter speed: 135`140km/h
Flap: Full down
Brake: use

Landing Time: 33sec
Landing Distance: 600m
Meter speed: 135`140km/h
Flap: Full down
Brake: not use

Stall status:
Alt: 2000m
Stall speed of metor: 165km/h
Flap angle: 0‹
Landing gear: Up
Elevator trim tab: 0‹
r.p.m: 1200

Alt: 2000m
Stall speed of metor: 149km/h
Flap angle: 15‹
Landing gear: Up
Elevator trim tab: 0‹
r.p.m: 1100

Alt: 2000m
Stall speed of metor: 139km/h
Flap angle: 30‹
Landing gear: Up
Elevator trim tab: +2‹
r.p.m: 1000

Alt: 2000m
Stall speed of metor: 168km/h
Flap angle: 0‹
Landing gear: Down
Elevator trim tab: 0‹
r.p.m: 1200

Alt: 2000m
Stall speed of metor: 163km/h
Flap angle: 15‹
Landing gear: Down
Elevator trim tab: +2‹
r.p.m: 1100

Alt: 2000m
Stall speed of metor: 138km/h
Flap angle: 30‹
Landing gear: Down
Elevator trim tab: +4‹
r.p.m: 1000

Turn half:
alt: +800m
Turn start speed: about 400km/h
r.p.m: 2600
Inhalation-of-air pressure: +100mmHg

loose reversal:
alt: -900m
Turn start speed: about 270km/h
r.p.m: 2600
Turn end speed : about 400km/h

Sudden reversal:
alt: -650m
Turn start speed: about 250(300)km/h
r.p.m: 2600
Turn End speed: about 350(400)km/h

Diving status:
Nose angle: 60‹
Start:
alt: 5000m
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Inhalation-of-air pressure: -100mmHg
speed: ` 350km/h

Elevartor trim angle: -5‹

Diving:
Inhalation-of-air pressure: +250mmHg

End:
alt: 1300m
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Inhalation-of-air pressure: +250mmHg
speed: 750km/h
Nose angle: 0‹

Nose angle: 90‹
Start:
alt: 5000m
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Inhalation-of-air pressure: -100mmHg
speed: ` 300km/h

Wake up:
alt: 3000m
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Inhalation-of-air pressure: +200mmHg
speed: 650km/h

End:
alt: 2000m
r.p.m: 2900rpm
Inhalation-of-air pressure: +200mmHg
speed: 720km/h
Nose angle: 0‹

Fruda · « **Reply #373 on:** August 09, 2004, 10:22:04 AM »

That's the Ki-84 I flew in FA 3.6.

In other words, very good performance, but rice paper construction.

brady · « **Reply #374 on:** August 09, 2004, 11:44:46 AM »

This plane should not be Rice papaer construction, as you can see above it had armor protection, and was not as lightly built as early war Japanese planes. FA is not exactly know for their atention to detail.

Mitsu, I recall a while ago you mentioned that the Ki-84-Ic was never realy built in any numbers, while several western sources state it was, I was woundering if you could provide a source that confirms that they wer not built in any number.