Author Topic: The "Justice" System Is Failing the American People: Stop The Insanity...... (Read 1553 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #30 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:07:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Cabby44
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"But I'm SURE it's RUN by a BUNCH of LEFTIE-LEFTISTS and CLINTON and his cadre of CRIMINALS who have raped our SOCIETY of its MORALS and taken our GUNS from us so he can sleep with our DAUGHTERS and let his LIBERAL-LEFTIE-LEFTIST buddies in prison for EATING BABIES run free while..."

Well, i visited your link and read the hand-wringing over the "DC Snipers" and the case for their execution. Guess what. Your DPIC site is against it.

So, i reckon the paragraph i quoted above is essentially correct....

C.

It doesn't matter whether the site is liberal or conservative Cabby. The number of death penalty convictions that have been overturned and found innocent is now at 102. A Number that has no political agenda.

Thrawn · « **Reply #31 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:16:47 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron

And I imagine you might have one also if it were your 8 year old daughter lying in her grave.

I honestly don't believe I would want my government to kill him. Because, there is a chance that he would be innocent and I wouldn't want to be responsible for sending a innocent man to his death.

AKIron · « **Reply #32 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:31:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

I honestly don't believe I would want my government to kill him. Because, there is a chance that he would be innocent and I wouldn't want to be responsible for sending a innocent man to his death.

Almost anything is possible including that perhaps no one on death row is guilty. Nevertheless, many states in the US appoint juries to decide guilt and based on that decision punishment is executed or at least it should be.

Of course I hope you never have to find out first hand how you would feel about the death penalty if one of your children were brutally murdered but I'll bet many have changed their minds when it happened to them.

Thrawn · « **Reply #33 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:40:05 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I'll bet many have changed their minds when it happened to them.

I definately leave myself open to that possibility.

Wotan · « **Reply #34 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:47:17 PM »

Our justice system doesnt rely on the emotions of the victims to determin justice. Nor should it. Most can understand why a victim may feel the way they do. But we arent going to look to then for justice.

In florida we had a case where a young black kid confessed to killing a tourist. He was also picked out in a line up by an eye witness.

He was found guilty and sentenced to death.

Guess what.........

He didnt do it. His confession was coerced and the eye witness was wrong.

Should he have been taken out and killed right after the jury of his peers found him guilty?

Theres too much room for error.

Remember that Demjanjuk guy? The Ukrainian Nazi that was supposedly "Ivan the Terrible". Numerous eye witness said he was the guy but it was proven he wasnt.

Things arent as clear cut, even when a jury rules. As terrible as an innocent man spending his life in prison its still a far cry better then being killed for a crime he didnt commit.

To say "well the jury ruled, off with head" overlooks the facts. Like mt said 102 death row inmates freed since 72. Thats over 3 per year.

Thrawn · « **Reply #35 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:49:36 PM »

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Originally posted by narsus
Again, but it is ok to kill an unborn child. It just doesn't make sense.

Everyone who leans to the left here I will make you a deal. You guys support that an unborn child has the right to live and I will go against capital punishment.

Deal?

No. Sure the unborn children or fetuses that are not viable outside of the mother have a right to live, but those rights to not supercede the mother's right to self-determination of her body.

Capital punishment and abortion are two COMPLETELY different issues.

midnight Target · « **Reply #36 on:** November 04, 2002, 01:00:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

No. Sure the unborn children or fetuses that are not viable outside of the mother have a right to live, but those rights to not supercede the mother's right to self-determination of her body.

Capital punishment and abortion are two COMPLETELY different issues.

Now you've done it Pandora!

AKIron · « **Reply #37 on:** November 04, 2002, 01:23:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
To say "well the jury ruled, off with head" overlooks the facts. Like mt said 102 death row inmates freed since 72. Thats over 3 per year.

Off the top of my based on something I saw recently I'd say there are on average 15,000 muders a year committed in the US. Over 30 years that's approximately 450,000 murders. Wonder how many of those were brought to justice?

Sure, I wouldn't want to be the 1 in 4500 that may have been convicted wrongly but I'm willing to take that chance.

Yes, I took a lot of liberties with the numbers, sue me.

Wotan · « **Reply #38 on:** November 04, 2002, 01:31:41 PM »

a better percentage would be to check how many were sentenced to death every year for 30 years.

This would show you the correct percentage of those sentenced to death who are not guilty (thats if we assume the 102 are all there were).

Not every murder conviction ends in a death sentence.

Even so are you happy if 1 innocent guy out of 450000 gets executed?

Eagler · « **Reply #39 on:** November 04, 2002, 02:02:30 PM »

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Originally posted by narsus
Again, but it is ok to kill an unborn child. It just doesn't make sense.

Everyone who leans to the left here I will make you a deal. You guys support that an unborn child has the right to live and I will go against capital punishment.

Deal?

not ok to kill unborn

ok to kill murder of innocent victims

the left, liberal, dems think its ok the kill one who can't defend him/herself but we can't kill someone who has had a shot at this world, blew it & took another life in the process

ya, we need more liberal judges, "justice" system

Thrawn · « **Reply #40 on:** November 04, 2002, 02:16:25 PM »

Eagler and narsus, you are bother forgetting that the woman has the right to determine what happens to HER body.

If they don't want to have the child while it is still not viable outside the uterus, what do you propose to do? Chain them up untill they deliver?

Eagler · « **Reply #41 on:** November 04, 2002, 03:10:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Eagler and narsus, you are bother forgetting that the woman has the right to determine what happens to HER body.

If they don't want to have the child while it is still not viable outside the uterus, what do you propose to do? Chain them up untill they deliver?

yep she had the RIGHT to keep the noodle out HER body

once ignition has fired the engine, it ain't her right to murder

just another step down the drain, one of many we've made in our "enlightened" society.

popeye · « **Reply #42 on:** November 04, 2002, 03:42:40 PM »

"Now I am not a huge zeolot in this debate, abortion when mothers life is threatened, rape, incest. (that is reasonable)"

Why is it reasonable to sentence the unborn child to death, because of the actions of a rapist? Is the child somehow to blame?

Why is reasonable to kill the unborn child to save the mother? Didn't the mother accept all the risks of childbirth when she decided to get pregnant? Is the child's life worth less than the mother's?

Thrawn · « **Reply #43 on:** November 04, 2002, 03:56:09 PM »

Interesting how guys can be so foot loose and fancy free with other women's bodies.

Thrawn · « **Reply #44 on:** November 04, 2002, 04:00:59 PM »

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Originally posted by narsus
Thrawn "hey pot this is kettle your black"

How's that?