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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2002, 08:42:23 PM »
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The La7, WW2Online, BMW's and their personal favorite by far...Politics


You might wanna add Guns to that mate....

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But I thought having all those Guns negated that sort of violent behaviour?


Don't think I've seen someone take the piss better on this BBS :)

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2002, 09:29:02 PM »
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Firstly, no where do you read in my posts where I say anything remotely similar to your statement.

What I dont like, is them being in the hands of every Tom Dick and Harry around me.
Ya.. once again...

Like I said...

I know you're a cop... why do you need a gun in a country that has banned them?  What purpose does it serve and why do you carry it?

And... "liking guns" is not an answer... do you think that gun with that pose made you look cool?  I have a pic just like it of me with a galil.  I don't post it because I think it was somewhat silly.  Can't say I'm real proud of the time I posed with a good looking gun thinking it meant anything.  I can say I was about 15 years younger when I did it.

I've read your posts spook.  All of them.  What they translate too is "I don't trust anyone else with a gun, but I'm OK with one".   Maybe you are... maybe you aren't.  Not using one does not necessarily demonstrate that... its when you do chose to use it that does.

And yes... I have pointed a gun at people too and not fired... in situations where it would have been deemed acceptable.  And I don't necessarily agree with much of the pro nor con rhetoric being thrown around.  But I don't agree with the "I'm trained and they're not so they shouldn't have one" line either.  I've met many people that were trained at the use of firearms that I wouldn't trust with them... and many that weren't trained that I would.  One thing that everyone of those people have in common is that I've met them... and I knew them.

What is written on this bbs is not what should be used to form value judgements of ones capacity nor judgement with a firearm.  rhetoric... like most everything else posted here.

gotta love the age old debates... you can just cut and paste from old posts or reword the exact same thing over and over.

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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2002, 09:41:12 PM »
LOL get outta my thread!  shoo!  all of ya... :D

Take it somewhere else.  I dont want to be held responsible for inciting a riot on the internet ;) :eek:
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« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2002, 09:56:56 PM »
On topic:
as one of the state street retailers noted: all you need against drunken callege kids with no particular political program is a baseball bat.
Gun control has nothing to do with this either way.
Liberal/Conservative policies have nothing to do with it either.  If you look at LIttle Lord Fauntleroy there, odds are he's a republican-voting fratboy.  Five years from now, he may be a pacifist green-party homosexual.  The political alliance of drunken college kids is first with alcohol, second with being a spoiled brat (if I'm drunk, it doesn't matter what I do).  Neither of those have party alliances. period.

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« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2002, 10:30:18 PM »
"What I dont like, is them being in the hands of every Tom Dick and Harry around me. "

That is kinda hypocritical, if you have a gun, why not the next guy? I don't have one because my greatest fear is the kids finding it and shooting themselves. But I have seriously thought of a bow & arrow. The kids are to small to pull back the bow, and it beats no defence at all.
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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2002, 07:07:42 AM »
Good grief. Some of you guys are all bent out of shape at the hideous thought from another that gun ownership doesnt make the man.

Any idiot can own a gun. Deja. This country still has more than its fair share.  As I have stated previously. The Gun Buy Back scheme did not wipe them off the face of the map.  Plenty are still out there. Gun Buy Back was about reduction. It succeeded in that.
Only tonight, I attended an Armed Robbery with a longarm involved. A minute maybe less from confrontation with an Armed Offender.  Thats why I carry a gun. Thats why I oppose those not required to do so from carrying them.

For entertainments sake, lets indulge ourselves and pretend your statements are one of genuine rational thought.

Does the pic make me Cool.  HELL YEAH! Coolest muther in the valley. LOL. What do you think?   The pic was taking the piss out of Laz and the comments regarding .25's vs .38's.  Please pay attention and absorb the humourous side to an already tiring thread.  No. Having my mug up on the big screen with my phallic symbolising machine gun doesnt crack my jollies.  The point wasnt to show you how incredibly handsome and undoubtably attractive I am, but to make a visual joke.  It appears that at least 1 of us, didnt get it.  Having said that, I am a good looking Rooster eh?

P.S. Id like to see your pic with a Galil.  I'll raise you one with an M60, Lee Enfield 303, H&K semi auto, M16, SLR and various pistols.  The point wasn't about who has the biggest gun Mr Eastwood. It was humour.  Again. Sadly lacking in some quarters.

But I don't agree with the "I'm trained and they're not so they shouldn't have one" line either.

Once again, your drawing lines like bingo balls from the ultra melon machine.  I didn't  say or imply that either.  Tho I like the creative input you place into my sentances for me. It does make them more interesting to read.

Nowhere have I made comments about who is trained and who is not. Any deadsh*t can train on firearms.  We see them at Gun Ranges, in the military and on the Police Force every single day.
My arguement is not about training vs the untrained.  None of my posts utilise training in any way shape or form as a pro or a con to the debate.

Please read all the words....

My arguement is normal people in abnormal situations using a firearm that they otherwise would not employ.  The 2nd stage of my arguement is that if the weapons they hold more dear than their mothers is properly kept, it will be absolutely bloody useless to them in a defensive situation, hence their entire arguement is baseless.

Why do I carry a gun on duty?

Well cause some of the bad men would like to hurt, kill and maim me is why.  They may not have a gun either. They may bring a crowbar, a knife, a dirty sock and comic book. It doesnt matter to me. I want to go home to my family at night just as much as you do.

Remember that that gun doesnt only protect me. It protects the likes of you, your family and others.  

Unlike your guns. It has a purpose other than one of self image.

Sixpence, you made sense with your comment about keeping guns away from your kids. I commend you.  Thats the reason I did it.  Believe me when I say, that Bow you dont think they can pull, will be the first thing they learn.  If you dont need it and it doesnt sound like you do, then dont risk it.  Guns and Bows, come and go. Lose one you buy another.  Your kid once dead, stays dead.  

The best defence your ever going to employ in life consists of your 2 most poweful assets...

1. Your Brain.
2. Your Feet.
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2002, 08:20:59 AM »
spook.. I am glad that our police are not so cowardly and self serving as you obviously are.   Our cops reccomend that citizens get a firearm all the time.  I work for the city and the range is on my facility..  Not one city cop feels that citizens should be disarmed.

You know nothing about the experiances of the people you are talking about on this board but if you have only had to pull a gun a couple of times then maybe a lot of us know as much or more about it than you.   Allso... the wild dogs I have killed have all been killed with handguns.   They are.... handy.

I think you are justifying your fears and jealousy.   I get along well with the police but realize that the response time is too long to be of any use except for insurance purposes.   They realize that too.  

oh... and I prefer my stainless mini 14 to your pumpkin gun in the pic.  (ak's and sks's are called pumpkin guns in the U.S. because of the pumpkin sized groups at 100 yards for typical examples).

our cops also know that the bad men LIKE to hurt the weak and unarmed.  Unlike your cowardly and stupid butt tho... they realize that guns in the hands of the citizen will stop a lot of the pain and they don't want to sacrafice the safety of the people they serve in order to gain a false sense of safety for themselves.

I can show you pictures of me with any weapon that a large swat team may use..  They don't seem to be too frieghtend to let me fire em off when they bust em out... in fact... we have some good firearms discussions... I told em about your posts...the ones that aren't shaking their heads about you are laughing their bellybutton off.
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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2002, 08:59:01 AM »
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Why do I carry a gun on duty?

Well cause some of the bad men would like to hurt, kill and maim me is why. They may not have a gun either. They may bring a crowbar, a knife, a dirty sock and comic book. It doesnt matter to me. I want to go home to my family at night just as much as you do.
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2002, 10:52:24 AM »
Well, dogs are the first line of defense. But there are different cases, such as work. I worked at a restaurant in jax ,fl. We had a back door we kept locked. We would unlock it at the end of the night to dump the garbage. Well, one night someone was waiting out back......with a gun. We were robbed at gunpoint. After that the owner decided to keep a gun on the premises. When we would dump the garbage, the asst. manager would carry the gun, unlock the door, and watch us till we got back from the dumpster. You can't disarm the public, then only the crooks will have them.
BTW, even though I don't hunt...how could ya hunt? Speaking of which, ever since they banned goose hunting in ma., the goose population has exploded........and they're sh*tting everywhere!!
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2002, 03:33:43 PM »
Originally posted by lazs2
spook.. I am glad that our police are not so cowardly and self serving as you obviously are.   Our cops reccomend that citizens get a firearm all the time.  I work for the city and the range is on my facility..  Not one city cop feels that citizens should be disarmed.

How big is the range within a Municipal Toilet facility?

Your Cops sound like Cluster F*** Rookies if their telling you that. I suspect you've spoken with 1 Cop whilst he has been squeezing his zits in the bathroom mirror and admiring the Long Pants he's now allowed to wear.

"Sure" he says
"Arm them all ! You should get one to Laz ol' son. Bullets n Bombs for everyone ! That'll make the streets safe and eh? If the Sh*t hits the fan, with luck everyone will have wiped themselves out before I get there and that can only make life easier."


You know nothing about the experiances of the people you are talking about on this board but if you have only had to pull a gun a couple of times then maybe a lot of us know as much or more about it than you.   Allso... the wild dogs I have killed have all been killed with handguns.   They are.... handy.

Did they ever find out how that wild Pekinese escaped from Old Lady Simpsons back yard ?Guess you had to kill it. Ya gotta protect the chickens after all

I think you are justifying your fears and jealousy.   I get along well with the police but realize that the response time is too long to be of any use except for insurance purposes.   They realize that too.

Thats hardly an excuse Laz to let them all have a bang bang and do their own policing. Ya'll could form a posse!  

our cops also know that the bad men LIKE to hurt the weak and unarmed.  Unlike your cowardly and stupid butt tho... they realize that guns in the hands of the citizen will stop a lot of the pain and they don't want to sacrafice the safety of the people they serve in order to gain a false sense of safety for themselves.

Which member of avacado told you that?  The one last through the door or the one that uses his head to break it?  Im fairly confident your full of BS there Laz.  Unless of course this is from a Copper from Backwater Arkansaw who spends his day hiding behind a road sign waiting for the Blues mobile to motor on by and who's "war stories" include the "homeless vagrant" story of mid 98 and the "Grand Larceny lawnmower theft that ripped through the Burbs in the late 80's?

I can show you pictures of me with any weapon that a large swat team may use..  They don't seem to be too frieghtend to let me fire em off when they bust em out... in fact... we have some good firearms discussions... I told em about your posts...the ones that aren't shaking their heads about you are laughing their bellybutton off.
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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2002, 12:45:01 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2002, 08:45:20 AM »
"How big is the range within a Municipal Toilet facility? "

well... I am on 500 acres which is a lot in the bay area of CA. so it is very attractive for the various police forces in the area to use.  I would say 3 police forces, sheriffs and all their swat teams and highway patrol..  maybe 200 officers but I will ask.

"Did they ever find out how that wild Pekinese escaped from Old Lady Simpsons back yard ?Guess you had to kill it. Ya gotta protect the chickens after all "

actually.. they were fairly large misxed breeds running 60 lbs and up..  they hjunt in packs and kill livestock in the area.  Local ranchers kill em and hang the carcass's on barbed wire fences.   I kill em cause I don't like three growling dogs running at me while I'm in the field.

"Thats hardly an excuse Laz to let them all have a bang bang and do their own policing. Ya'll could form a posse! "

Huh?   slow response time no excuse for protecting yourself from violent criminals in your own home?

"Which member of avacado told you that? The one last through the door or the one that uses his head to break it? Im fairly confident your full of BS there Laz. Unless of course this is from a Copper from Backwater Arkansaw who spends his day hiding behind a road sign waiting for the Blues mobile to motor on by and who's "war stories" include the "homeless vagrant" story of mid 98 and the "Grand Larceny lawnmower theft that ripped through the Burbs in the late 80's? "

geeze... you are defenseve aren't you?   Look... sorry I exposed you for being such a self interested coward but I thought it was obvious.

"Sounds like a real bunch of Cowboys if there letting you play with the very firearms they have to entrust their lives unto. Glad their on your side of the pond. I'm laughing to. Tell them we're all having a hoo dad of a time. Yippee Kai yay Laz. "

LOL.. Are you saying that I don't know safe gun handling or that I might... harm one of the firearms?   I do most of my own gunsmithing and am pretty safe.   I bet I know a lot more about firearms and their proper handling than you do... I know this to be the case because you wouldn't be so frieghtened of em if you knew something about em.

I used to think that aussies were different than brits... that they had some rugged individualism.... I was kinda taken aback when they meekly handed over the means to defend themselves to their government... Listening to you... well... I hope thay are not all as big a wusses as you are.
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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2002, 09:47:58 AM »
Apples and Orange, two different cultures regarding firearms cannot be compared.

Just one note:

Lasz, if you comes in one of the coward country of the wussy Europe, dont bring the guns with you, you will have great time, without fears.

It's just a different culture, here you can live an entire life without guns and have no fears, there you need (maybe) the guns to feel safe.

BTW, sex it's better than shooting. :D

If you like shooting more than.... well.... "de gustibus". :D

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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2002, 10:45:07 AM »
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Apples and Orange, two different cultures regarding firearms cannot be compared.


Yep

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It's just a different culture, here you can live an entire life without guns and have no fears, there you need (maybe) the guns to feel safe.

BTW, sex it's better than shooting. :D

If you like shooting more than.... well.... "de gustibus". :D


True, but I don't think thats the case for every place in the US.  I'm sure European cities have their relatively "bad" places just as US cities do.  There are many places you can go, have a good time, and just feel 'safe' over here.
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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2002, 02:00:20 PM »
guns or sex?  guns or sex or hot rods?  why not have all em?   better... why not have all of em at the same time?  variety, choice and moderation in all things eh?

Seems to me that I can think off a lot of countries where it would be prudent to be armed.  
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