E-Planes

[Gabber88]

Advice me a good german E-Fight plane

[J_A_B]

ME-109.   For strict E-fighting, the later the better.  The 109G-10 is probably the BEST E-fighting aircraft in AH.

FW-190D-9 is also a good E-fighter although it requires a somewhat different flying style than the 109's.


J_A_B

[Kweassa]

Bf109s are actually pretty bad examples as an E fighter.

 What the 109s can do is build up E at an incredibly fast rate.

 However, the problem is you have to spend all that E to fight in it. In 109s, altitude and speed advantage does not directly connect with any sort of decisive advantage due to horrible roll rate and compression.

 So in 109s, you build E fast, spend about 60% of it in conventional maneuvering to get firing solution, and use the rest 40% to escape and climb again, rebuilding E. There is going to be a lot of close-quarter fights if you actually want to get a kill in the G-10.

 Therefore, if we are talking about "E fighting" in terms of clean BnZ management, the Fw190D-9 comes highly recommended. With enough speed and altitude, the Fw190 is absolutely amazing.

ps) however, the 109s are capable of doing the more "tricky" E fighting.. the sort of fighting that lures enemies into death traps by out maneuvering/zooming him by teeney weeney little bits.

[Urchin]

For E-fighting, the 109s are far superior to the 190s.  For Bore N ZZZzzz, the 190s are better.  

E-fighting does not mean making a pass at something (building, GV, bomber, fighter, whatever) and then zooming as high as you possibly can before making your next pass.  That isn't even fighting.  

E-fighting means you try to build up a margin of energy, which you use to convert into a lethal position.

[Kweassa]

Actually, the BnZ can be considered the ultimate form of E fighting - you set up the outcome of the game even before you start playing - you may not win, but you never lose

 However, true, BnZ is only one type of E management - very efficient one, up to the point it gets boring to do so .. thus, in the sense Urchin points out, the 109 is definately more fun and superior to the 190 in terms of tight E fights other than in the form of BnZ.

 Another thing is, with efficient management the 109 will turn the tables on enemy planes with E advantage very quickly. In a 190, that is not so easy to do so. The Bf109G-10 can be considered the ultimate P-51D killer.. one mistake, two~three passes and either the P-51D runs or dies.

[Fancy]

I HATE 109s...and it really baffles me that people thing the 109 is an E-fighter.  I know it accelerates very well, but the more it accelerates, the crappier it handles.  I guess I don't get the 109, but I'm not a very experienced flyer soooooo......

[devious]

I love the 109... as for the horrible hi-speed control, avoid going faster than 450mph, come in at a manageable alt advantage.

You won't be able to turn with the enemy in general, but hi yoyos and vertical maneuvers work great. If the going gets tough, do a shallow WEP dive and climb away at 300mph-ish, nothing will be able to get you (short of a N1K that dives under you and hoses for half a minute hanging on it's prop OR your own greed hehe)

[Gabber88]

Thank to all

[AtmkRstr]

Seems to me most people think that 109 means 109-G10.

When I read articles on how to beat 109s, they normally start by saying "Assume every 109 you come across is a 109-G10". That's a really bad idea.  You have to assume it has the power of a G10 but the turn of a G2 or F.  I guess that's why I get so many easy kills in the other 109s, because most people don't know how to fight them.  Defensively, they can turn most turn fights into E fights (using the vert or by spiral climing rather than straight turning) and can quickly climb above sombody who is trying to BnZ.

When I think E fighting, the 109 is exactly what comes to mind.  The only exception is the 109-G10 which I'd consider more of a BnZ specialist or bomber interceptor both rolls it's bad at because of its compresibility and durability respectively.

For the MA I'd suggest the 109-G2 vs fighters and the 109G6 if some bombers are expected.

[Innominate]

BnZ and pure E-fighting are somewhat different.

The 109g10 is worthless as a BnZ plane, but is excellent for pure e-fighting.  As long as you stick to the vertical, the g10 can match or beat any plane in the game.  The purpose of E fighting is to use an E-advantage to go vertical and convert it to a firing position, something the 109g10 excels at.  It's a tricky plane to fly, because you need to mix it up close in with much more maneuverable planes, however when properly flown is unbelievably lethal.

[senna]

109s are great E fiters. The 190s are not too good at E fiting, however you can pull off some interesting and most importantly suprising moves  in combat that will have your opponent totaly confused for a few seconds. Sometimes thats enough to get a kill or at least escape. 190s dont accelarate fast though cept the D9.

[Gabber88]

The G10 accellerating very fast...
But in a Diving prusuit... What i can do???

[Glasses]

For those  that don't have a HOTAS  It'll be hell to trim the G10 in a dive otherwise trim your butt off when going into a power dive I can push the little kite to 500mph using only trim to avoid lawndarting,sure fire way to Kill the toejamstains while they're in the "ooh I'm shrecked" leg of their journey.

[Xjazz]

About Energy managment by A. Bush.


How about  general AH Energy Fighter Type list?

Hit & Run figters:
- P51, F4U, P47, 190, Yak,

Hit & Climb figters:
- 109Gs, Spit14, La7 at deck

Commenst?