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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2002, 05:46:47 PM »
the inspectors remember, its the inspectors turn. The US and now the rest of the world are waiting on bighead saddams answer to the UN latest.

I think saddam was hopin it was only an election threat :)
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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2002, 06:27:21 PM »
The real question is, who's next? There are any number of countries that pose as big a threat, if not a bigger threat to our future national security.  The whole Axis of Evil thing.

North Korea, for example, already has weapons of mass destruction and serious domestic issues creating instability. Hey, didn't they once invade a neighbor, kidnap foreign nationals, kill American servicemen regularly in small quantities since the treaty, capture an American naval vessel, attack South Korean naval forces on a regular basis, attempt to infiltrate action groups using tunnels and mini-submarines, conduct aggressive and intimidating missile tests, disregard international treaties, etc.?

PRC, well, what's going to happen with Taiwan in the next decade? China can already incinerate millions of Americans at the push of a button.

Iran? They could be coming around though, somewhat, if the moderates don't get destabilized.

Pakistan, there is already an Islamic bomb and the potential for it to get in the wrong hands rather easily, given a successful overthrow. In fact, there is a strong Taliban 2 atmosphere in some areas.

Saudi Arabia? More of an international terrorist threat than Iraq, at least where 9-11 was concerned.

So, if this is an honest moral exercise, as opposed to some alternative motivation related to sweet Iraqi crude or a personal grudge, than we must continue to act until all these equal or greater threats are eliminated.

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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2002, 06:39:14 PM »
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because normal american attitude is to be an "arogant,ignorant"


Oh, goodie. Can I rebut with an ad hominem attack on Russians? :rolleyes:

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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2002, 07:00:10 AM »
and then their "parliment" <- whatever that really is in Iraq- votes "NO" to the world wide approved UN res and weapon inspectors...

think bighead will go along with them or try to look like a global "hero" going against the "wishes" of his own ppl in the "name of peace"  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2002, 07:13:23 AM »
I heard this morning on the news IB to work that Iraq basically told the UN to go screw itself regarding the resolution on unrestricted inspections....


Its coming...  :(  Unfortunately it needs to be done I think....

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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2002, 07:39:14 AM »
The Iraqi parliment voted NO, now it is up to Saddam.  The parliment certainly voted as instructed by Saddam.  My guess is that this is just political theater, and the outcome isn't certain.  Saddam may intend to show his "magnanimous good will" by overruling his parliment, or he may claim that he has no option but to follow the will of his people.

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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2002, 07:42:56 AM »
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Osama bin Laden is a byproduct of the first Gulf War, no?


Keiran,

I think Osama bin Laden was/is a waste product of the US support for the Afghan mujahedin (sp?) from their war against the former pro-Soviet gov't of Afghanistan and the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2002, 07:49:00 AM »
Agreed, but his anger at the west is supposedly spurred on by the way the US handled itself in the Gulf War.

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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2002, 08:23:28 AM »
The whole middle east needs a good kick in the prettythang.  Iraq is a good way of doing it and making the others think twice.

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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2002, 09:23:06 AM »
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Agreed, but his anger at the west is supposedly spurred on by the way the US handled itself in the Gulf War.


problem was the admin that was suppose to watch him was too busy chasin fat chicks while cutting the budgets of those whose job it was to keep tabs on OBL & the like. I think we dropped the ball by not puttin him down when his rabies first surfaced. But hey, 93 -00 the US had no enemies, everyone loved us and our pres was trying to give that "love" back in return  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2002, 09:27:17 AM »
Take the blinkers off, for at least 5 minutes. Which administration trained and armed that particular nutcase? And when you've answered that, which particular adminitration trained and armed the forces of current enemy-of-the-moment, Saddam Hussein?

Hindsight is a great tool, but you've got to use it across the board.

Hint: it's not Clinton or any other Democrat.
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« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2002, 09:39:46 AM »
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official reason to create Al quaida was to force Americans army leave ME.... and they did many attacks agains military targets in the pass..... but they did ignore them....
and because normal american attitude is to be an "arogant,ignorant" i guess it will take some time untill they will start to think about them self


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« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2002, 09:42:04 AM »
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Take the blinkers off, for at least 5 minutes. Which administration trained and armed that particular nutcase? And when you've answered that, which particular adminitration trained and armed the forces of current enemy-of-the-moment, Saddam Hussein?

Hindsight is a great tool, but you've got to use it across the board.

Hint: it's not Clinton or any other Democrat.


USSR was our friend in WW2, we armed them...

So whats your point again?

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« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2002, 09:47:05 AM »
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Take the blinkers off, for at least 5 minutes. Which administration trained and armed that particular nutcase? And when you've answered that, which particular adminitration trained and armed the forces of current enemy-of-the-moment, Saddam Hussein?

Hindsight is a great tool, but you've got to use it across the board.

Hint: it's not Clinton or any other Democrat.


Baaa.... they where our tool vrs the Soviet Union. We were in a "Cold War" at that time remember?

As far as Sadem is concerned isnt most of his equipment "Soviet" based? Last time I checked the US doesnt make T-72's...

As far as a miltary assult on Irag... we need to be able to do massive, quick river crossings. I wouldnt be surprised if this has something to do w/any wait as well as the myrid other reasons.

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« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2002, 09:57:49 AM »
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
Take the blinkers off, for at least 5 minutes. Which administration trained and armed that particular nutcase? And when you've answered that, which particular adminitration trained and armed the forces of current enemy-of-the-moment, Saddam Hussein?

Hindsight is a great tool, but you've got to use it across the board.

Hint: it's not Clinton or any other Democrat.



 BS it sure is.  With his indescriminate bombing in the 90's to cover his sleezy ass.  That did ALOT to generate the attitude most arabs show towards the USA.  I'd tell you to take your blinders off but I honestly think you're blind to common sense and history.   Remember that little thing we were in for the 1st half of my life? The cold war?  

 Yeah maybe we made the mess that is Osama, Al Queda.  Now we're going to clean that mess.  And it won't be done with casual cruise missle launches at asprin factories.  It won't be done to cover the presidents bellybutton because he couldn't keep his zipper up.  It will be done because it's the right thing to do,  I'd imagine that's a foriegn concept to you though.....