Author Topic: That Old Debate- "plane" or "pilot"? (Read 1175 times)

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #75 on:** November 18, 2002, 10:21:54 AM »

So I'm confused. Am I a good pilot or a mediocre one because I enjoy flying a Spit V?

-- Todd/Leviathn

OZkansas · « **Reply #76 on:** November 18, 2002, 10:27:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
when someone shoots me down, it's the plane.

when i shoot someone down it's the pilot.

how can it get any more clear than that?

This is the only correct answer!!!!!!!!!

Turbot · « **Reply #77 on:** November 18, 2002, 10:29:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
So I'm confused. Am I a good pilot or a mediocre one because I enjoy flying a Spit V?

-- Todd/Leviathn

You must figure the Sp9 is overkill?

Rude · « **Reply #78 on:** November 18, 2002, 12:19:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
So I'm confused. Am I a good pilot or a mediocre one because I enjoy flying a Spit V?

-- Todd/Leviathn

I'm sorry Levi....there is something wrong with you for flying just that one plane....not sure what it is, but be assured, there is something wrong with you.

Mathman · « **Reply #79 on:** November 18, 2002, 12:58:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I'll toss out these examples. Surely someone in the FDBs can point out how to win these matchups. All fights are co-alt, head-on merges.

You are in a F6F, enemy is in a Spit IX. What do you do to win this fight?

You are in a 190D9, enemy is in a La7. What do you do to win this fight?

You are in a 109G2, enemy is in a N1K2. What do you do to win this fight?

You are in a 110G2, enemy is in a P-51D. What do you do to win this fight?

1: I would tell you, but then everyone would know how to do it.

2: Use roll advantage of 190. Shoot the La7 down.

3. Laugh at plane with red circles on wing. Shoot it down.

4. Think about how good ponies look when their wings get shot off. Shoot the wings off the pony and laugh at the guy when he bails and you shoot him in his chute.

Seriously Urchin, if you are the good pilot you say you are, why should anyone even have to take the time to tell you what to do in these situations? Are you that insecure in your abilities at playing a game that you need to have other people tell you that you are good?

Furious · « **Reply #80 on:** November 18, 2002, 12:59:49 PM »

I for one am sick to death of these FDB. They got this game all wrong.

You know what they do? These amazinhunks fly around in the arena having fun and laughing at tards. Sometimes, if their aim is good, they shoot chutes. Can you believe that toejam?

What a frikkin bunch of no talent jerk-off sons of squeakes.

Can I join please join JG2?

please.

ygsmilo · « **Reply #81 on:** November 18, 2002, 01:10:30 PM »

Two things to comment on,

Great post SOB,,

Drex wins in anything.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #82 on:** November 18, 2002, 02:02:08 PM »

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Originally posted by wulfie

3. I am a total believer in the theory of 'most fights are lost as opposed to won'.

Mike/wulfie

Just summed up the entire thread in one sentence.

udet · « **Reply #83 on:** November 18, 2002, 02:33:40 PM »

depends... unless you're flying against a monkey, it's hard to shoot down a 262 in a P40B

Turbot · « **Reply #84 on:** November 18, 2002, 02:59:37 PM »

Urchin has 71 kills and has been killed 7 times in the Fw 190A-5. K/D 10.14

Urchin has 63 kills and has been killed 3 times in the Fw 190D-9. K/D 21

Urchin has 106 kills and has been killed 11 times in the Ta 152H. K/D 9.64

He must be doing something right.

sax · « **Reply #85 on:** November 18, 2002, 07:11:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Turbot
Urchin has 71 kills and has been killed 7 times in the Fw 190A-5. K/D 10.14

Urchin has 63 kills and has been killed 3 times in the Fw 190D-9. K/D 21

Urchin has 106 kills and has been killed 11 times in the Ta 152H. K/D 9.64

He must be doing something right.

So its clear He doesn't have any thing to complain about.

I know I sure wish I had enough talent to bring it to everyones attention with a post on the BBS.

, someday.

Paxil · « **Reply #86 on:** November 18, 2002, 07:22:59 PM »

There are some pretty big factors that haven't been mentioned yet, namely your connection and hardware. I have two computers side by side... and my daughter has her own account. She has a different video card and runs the game in a different resolution. Trust me... we don't see the same things. I can see a dots way off in the distance... PT's etc... long before she can. Lets just say... that kind of information is useful. =)

I used to live off in the boonies with a poor connection 125-250 ping times, and is it any wonder most planes warped out of the way right as I was ready for the kill?

OK... now that that is out of the way. With the same connection, same hardware, etc... I can still compare planes. Yes, I fly a dweeb plane (gave up trying to find one that wasn't) and it is hard to compare stats unless you fly one plane the whole tour... but one recent tour I flew P51D and had a 19-1 KD vs LA-7.... then turned around next tour and I flew La-7 and killed the P51D in similar ratio until I ended the experiment. I think the scale is tilted pretty heavily toward plane rather than pilot. You can't compare my KD ratios with yours and get that useful of data, but if we flew on the same system with the same connection, at the same resolution, same plane... etc... then we could tell something.

There are pilots who could fly a shoe box and kill me most of the time. They are very very good. At the same time... if I fly around and do nothing but cherry pick... I could get my KD ratio above 10. Would I be a good pilot? For that matter... what the heck makes a good pilot? The one that makes it home alive? The one who can fly inverted through a hanger? The one who can hit at d900 with a snapshot? The one with the most kills? The one with best ACM?

The cool thing is... it is for each of us to decide. Fly what you want, how you want, chose to give significance to this or that stat... or no stats... try to win the war or whatever turns your crank.

Sorry for getting a bit off the topic... but I would have to say pilot over plane. Plane is surely a factor, but I think pilot and how he chooses to fly matched with a plane that supports it.

wulfie · « **Reply #87 on:** November 18, 2002, 09:54:54 PM »

Sax, I don't know if you have some axe to grind with Urchin but I think you are being unfair.

I think he's posting/trying to have an honest question/discussion. He has used the scores of several pilots as part of his discussion, but he has never talked about himself. It was someone besides Urchin who chose to list Urchin's scores.

Turbot, I don't think anyone has commented one way or the other on Urchin's 'flying ability' in this thread.

Just my $.02.

Mike/wulfie

sax · « **Reply #88 on:** November 18, 2002, 11:18:11 PM »

Not grinding any axes, hey Urchin has kicked my ars lottsa times and is a good pilot.

I'm just getting even for him ragging me in the MA for being as crappy as I am:)

Sometimes being petty is ok.

mcswine · « **Reply #89 on:** November 18, 2002, 11:52:03 PM »

Its the pilot regardless of situation or aircraft. All fights are lost in 1 of 2 ways...well in some cases both will apply

#1: Pilot error, you flat got your bellybutton handed to you, and it doenst matter if its 1 on 1 or 1 on 5.

or

#2: Pilot stupidity, see rule #1 for enganging 5 EA, or chasing 1 EA to 5 buddies.

What would be interseting is if there was an actual penalty for dieing in this game. Life is to cheap... to easy to say screw it and dive in to take 1 or 2 with ya before ya have to re-launch and make that long borign trip back to the furbal of choice.

Just my $.02 worth