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Offline Gabber88

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« on: November 04, 2002, 03:31:39 PM »
Can an expert teach me E-Fighting with image or words on this topic or private training on H2H (Regia Aeronautica Room)
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2002, 03:46:18 PM »
Go to netaces.org  and read some of the excellent write-ups from guys like Rocketman and BulletHead on Energy fighting tactics.  This will give you a foundation to build on when you get some private training, so you can see these concepts in action.


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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2002, 11:37:14 PM »
Hi!

Read also from SimHq site :
-Energy Management: Picking the Right Airplane for the Job
-BOOM AND ZOOM TACTICS
-Air to Air Gunnery Revisited - Guns, Gunsights, and Convergence

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2002, 07:33:30 AM »
I did offer the other day gabber...
If you remember through out email corispondance I asked you to give me a time you wanted to do it and I would be happy to do some training with you.

Just tell me when and I will be able to help ya!
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2002, 08:40:45 AM »
Energy fighting is a term that is loosely used to describe a specific type of fighting.  In reality, energy management is essential for *all* fighting styles.  Whether you like to boom and zoom, or turn and burn, it is all related to energy, and how you manage it.

Think of energy as cash in your account at a bank.  The more cash you take out, the less you have to work with.  The better you manage your money, the better you will be able to deal with your bills, and other unexpected expenses.

In the case of dogfighting, the "bills" are enermy aircraft that you know you are going to fight.  The "unexpected occurrences" are the enemy aircraft that try to bounce you, or put you on the defensive.  The more energy you have available, the better your chances of surviving and keeping your plane in the air.

Now that we have the concept of energy, it is time to look at physics.  Energy comes in two forms: potential and kinetic.  Potential energy is stored energy.  In an aircraft, this comes in the form of altitude.  Generally speaking, the higher you are, the more potential energy you have available.

Kinetic energy is energy in motion.  You translate your potential energy into kinetic energy.  For example, diving from 15K to 10K translates your potential energy into kinetic energy as velocity.

Remembering one of the fundamentals of physics, we know that energy is never lost, it is simply transformed.  In a dogfight, you'll hear the terms "bleeding energy" and "energy burning maneuvers".  These terms relate to energy management.  Your aircraft relies on energy to perform work.  Each time you execute a maneuver, you are translating that energy into work.  For example, if you are flying straight, and then pull a maximum-G sustained 180 degree flat turn, you will utilize far more energy than you would if you executed that same turn at lower G.

So, now that we have the theory behind energy, let's see how it works in reality.  As was mentioned at the beginning of this post, energy is essential in all types of dogfighting.  This statement was illustrated by the theory above.  If you fly an "energy fighter" such as a P51, FW190D9, etc. you engage in energy conservation fighting.  These planes maintain energy very well.  In other words, they require less energy to perform work.  Now, this doesn't mean that you can yank back on the stick and think you'll still have plenty of energy in the bank.  It simply means that these planes' strengths are in their ability to maintain a high energy state while engaging enemy aircraft.

It was also mentioned that the "turn and burn" types, such as the A6M, SpitV, etc. require energy.  These fighters utilize their energy quickly by pulling hard turns.  Their strengths are that they can maneuver out of the way and gain angles on you very quickly.

The key to downing both types of fighters is to deplete their energy reserves.  Make them fight using tactics that drain their energy quickly.  For example, force a P51 into a slow turning fight, and his energy rapidly disappears.  On the other hand, if you are the P51 and keep forcing a SpitV to burn his energy to maneuver out of your way, soon he won't have enough energy to move and he becomes an easy target.

In conclusion, one key to successful aerial combat is proper energy management.  Obviously, there are more, such as gunnery and situational awareness.  However, you can be the best gunner in the skies, or know where an enemy will be before he does and it won't make any difference if you haven't got the energy to do something about it.

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2002, 02:48:23 AM »
E-fighting in warbirds seem to be better (and safer) than aces high (maybe that's just me)
everytime i try to E-fight in aces high, i find the other guy turnin ginto me and blowin gme apart.

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2002, 04:56:27 AM »
S! Snowball

Maybe you pullup too early and wrong direction after your "gunrun".

Check out SimHq link

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2002, 11:39:32 AM »
A couple things you can do to improve your understanding of E fighting are as follows:

1) spend some time in the TA 1 on 1 with a couple of trainers also just 1 vs 1's in the TA with some decent sticks.

2) ask some of the better sticks in MA if you can tag along as an "observer".

I'll try and add a bit do what jonnyb wrote....

Basically the entire concept of E fighting is based on establishing a positive energy state vs your oponent and then using that positive energy state to contol the fight and force your opponent into a position where you can kill him. The biggest problems involved are in the judging of relative e states and in flying correctly and not getting killed in the process of winning the fight
:) .

It is quite common for a plane with lesser energy to win a dogfight...in fact some tactics (scissors for example) require less energy to work. Additionally planes gain and/or lose energy at different rates under different conditions so you need to understand the strengths and weakness of each type.

The problem you have learning to E fight is simply the frustration of getting killed while you learn all that fancy pilot stuff...additionally you'll start to work a bogie...bleeding his E, knocking a piece or two off...setting up a perfect end game rope going vertical..."flipping" back down as he stalls out...rolling in the vertical to reaquire the con....and having some $#@#@^ candyprettythang nikki dweeb swoop in and cherry pick your kill as you get your 3rd assist of the hop

:mad: :mad:


Welcome to the wonderful world of E fighting:rolleyes:

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