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Offline seano

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« on: November 20, 2002, 12:29:35 AM »
please make the bombsights on bombers automatically calibrate. i know this game is almost real, but it really takes the fun out of it

Offline Pei

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2002, 01:33:33 AM »
I totally disagree: before the new sighting system bombing was boring. All you had to todo was stear your cross-hairs over the target and you could hit dead-on everytime from 35K. The current system takes skill and is worth learning.

Offline Pepe

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2002, 02:07:13 AM »
I think the problem with buffs is the lack of proper blast radius and realistic craters on bombs.

Carpet Bombing a field is nearly useless, and delay adjustments more or less the same.

I think bombs model needs some fixing.

Cheers,

Offline Berra85

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2002, 02:28:33 AM »
The bomber site is excellent the way it is.

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2002, 06:48:04 AM »
I don't mind the calibration process so much, but I do have trouble getting lined up on target. Does anyone know a way to figure out what heading you need to be on to line up on your target other than dead reckoning? In WWII they had to calibrate the bomb sight, but they also had a compass and a navigator....any ideas?



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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2002, 06:59:26 AM »
I like the new bombsite, but I must admit that the handling feels somewhat unnatural
(or I just need more practice) :)
Anyway... the Norden Site in the game B-17 seemed more intuitive to me.

What I find annoying is how the Ki-Pilots behave when you fly in a vic-formation.
This happened yesterday while online:
1.) took off with 3 Lancs, climbed to 18 K, changed direction 180° while still climbing...
heard two explosions - checked 6 and saw nothing -
both escorting Lancs had fallen off the face of the Earth....?
Pobable cause: they stalled and augered...?

2.) took off with 3 Ju-88's. Airfield is in a valley so I make a gentle right turn to avoid
a hill... Check 5 ocl and watch my escorting JU-88's fly straight into that hill and crash.
They made no attempt to follow me, they just carried on flying in the direction the runway
was pointing....?
Probable cause: following Buffs need a certain height before they decide to follow...?

It would be nice if the Ki-Pilots had some rudimentary survival instinct
programmed into their digital brains :D

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2002, 08:41:54 AM »
Totally disagree.  Get out there and PRACTICE...  PRACTICE...  PRACTICE!!!!

I very rarely miss any more on vh, fhs, and bhs.  Take a lanc set salvo to 2, delay of .55 and let 'er rip.

Bombsite is fine the way it is.


Now if I could just figger out how to calibrate ABOVE the wind layer... :D

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2002, 09:03:09 AM »
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Originally posted by Conagher
I don't mind the calibration process so much, but I do have trouble getting lined up on target. Does anyone know a way to figure out what heading you need to be on to line up on your target other than dead reckoning? In WWII they had to calibrate the bomb sight, but they also had a compass and a navigator....any ideas?



Conn


Try flying a bomber with a nose gun. Use th nose gun Zoomed all the way in to sight your target. Then use you rudder pedals or keyboard to line up, while still in the nose gun.

This will give you a solid line, and still leave plenty of time to calibrate.

Offline Sakai

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2002, 09:13:14 AM »
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Try flying a bomber with a nose gun. Use th nose gun Zoomed all the way in to sight your target. Then use you rudder pedals or keyboard to line up, while still in the nose gun.

This will give you a solid line, and still leave plenty of time to calibrate.


What a cool idea!

Thanks man.

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2002, 12:18:33 PM »
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Pepe wrote:
I think the problem with buffs is the lack of proper blast radius and realistic craters on bombs.

Carpet Bombing a field is nearly useless, and delay adjustments more or less the same.

I think bombs model needs some fixing.

Cheers,


The whole idea behind this I feel is that Airfield design isn't "bomber friendly." Strat targets are to far spread to be killed with conventional carpet bombing, a one salvo drop is what I'm refering to. The only way to achive this is to drop a pair bombs here, and there, then extend and repeat calibration etc.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2002, 12:33:54 PM »
The basic idea of the bombsight works well.  What it needs is a fuzz factor.  You should calibrate, get your calibration, and as long as your actual speed is within plus or minus three to five mph off(also, altitude plus or minus 200feet), the calibration will be perfect.  This way you still need a good calibration, but as long as you get one you can be assured of hitting what you aimed for.  As long as your plane is flying level, and your speed is within a fairly narrow gap, the calibration would be precise, as in the old system(Though it would effectivly only show a small change from the calibrated sight)  When the plane is outside the proper speed envelop, or banking, the bombsight would revert to it's purely calibrated state.

Also needed is a digital(The analog speedometer's resolution is WAY too low to judge even a 10mph change of speed accuratly)

These two changes combined, would allow bombers to make multiple pass bombing runs in a reasonable amount of time, with good accuracy.  It would NOT be a return to the old style laser bombing, since you still need to keep your speed stable, and because a turn that is too steep will loose your drones, and slow you down dramaticly, forcing you to fix your speed.  A second pass will still take a significant amount of time, and turning drops won't be possible.  Another major change made to buffs, which on it's own would have eliminated most turning drops, is the reduction of the turn rate from the bombsight, this is significant, and seems to often be forgotten, as combined with the formations it severely reduces the bombers ability to turn around.

With the above changes, bombers would now be able to hit fields with reasonable effectivness, but without thier "pork the whole field in one pass" style bombing from pre 1.10.  Larger more important strat targets could even make the bombers worthless for that, provided the strat targets have an immediate, global, and noticable effect on the war.  Possibly even change goal of the war to focus on strategic bombing, instead of airfield capture.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2002, 01:41:19 PM »
Another way to help with lining up with your target:

1, once you have gained some alt calibrate your site but use sea level as your target (i.e. click on the sea not your intended target)

this will leave the site looking forward quite a bit and allow you to sea your target, line up and then re-calibrate for the drop.

2, try to only bomb going either east -west or west - east as your plane will not drift off target.


3, cough cough , mmmm , a bug that can be used, before you take off get in a shore battery gun and zoom in and out a bit, go back to tower and then fly this leaves you with super zoom enabled. (use with muckmaw's suggestion)

(this can be seen as cheating but no more than turning up your monitor brightness when it gets dark)

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2002, 01:52:06 PM »
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Originally posted by Blank
............ a bug that can be used, before you take off get in a shore battery gun and zoom in and out a bit, go back to tower and then fly this leaves you with super zoom enabled...................


so that's what was wrong with my sight last night, thought I was losing my mind

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