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Offline Slash27

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« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2002, 01:48:35 AM »
That is the question Jabroney42.  Well?

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« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2002, 05:22:13 AM »
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IL-2 is a rip of Janes WW2 Fighters, nothing original.


You noticed that too .

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« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2002, 06:51:45 AM »
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Bill Clinton is the bestest president....ever.


At least he isnt as dumb as the actual president ;)

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« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2002, 06:57:36 AM »
OK Ruuuuuddddeeeeeee :)

Whats wrong with the flight model has been discused enough.


U have 2 options in AH

1. ON
2.OFF

Ur elevator is ON = working
Ur elvevator is OFF = somebody shot him
But what about reduced function like some body damaged him ?

The same with oil failure from the engine. With an Oil leak u can perform 100% untill the oil is virtually empty.
Why not reduce the power? Why not letting the engine overheat quicker?
All stuff that will happen if u have an oil leaking engine.

What about the annyoing pilot wound thing ?
Totally overhault.
Whats with the radiator on the FW that quits his service after 1 single .50cal ping from dead 6.
I checked all my films i had.
In 60% of all cases my radiator was dead when i got pinged by some 1.

The damage modell is just not up to date anymore. Thats my personal opininon. U can agree or not.
I just wuold like to see a think between ON and OFF thats all.

Btw if i am at the point allready i would like to see little puffs if hit some body with HE cannon rounds.
It looks wonderfull in IL-2
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« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2002, 07:14:01 AM »
Nothing wrong with AH's FM, except the need to tweak a few planes a little. DM is on the other hand way off. All A/C should have their damage tollerances increased, especially bombers.
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« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2002, 08:40:11 AM »
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OK Ruuuuuddddeeeeeee :)

Whats wrong with the flight model has been discused enough.


U have 2 options in AH

1. ON
2.OFF

Ur elevator is ON = working
Ur elvevator is OFF = somebody shot him
But what about reduced function like some body damaged him ?

The same with oil failure from the engine. With an Oil leak u can perform 100% untill the oil is virtually empty.
Why not reduce the power? Why not letting the engine overheat quicker?
All stuff that will happen if u have an oil leaking engine.

What about the annyoing pilot wound thing ?
Totally overhault.
Whats with the radiator on the FW that quits his service after 1 single .50cal ping from dead 6.
I checked all my films i had.
In 60% of all cases my radiator was dead when i got pinged by some 1.

The damage modell is just not up to date anymore. Thats my personal opininon. U can agree or not.
I just wuold like to see a think between ON and OFF thats all.

Btw if i am at the point allready i would like to see little puffs if hit some body with HE cannon rounds.
It looks wonderfull in IL-2



Elevator remark is incorrect....partial damage does occur.

Oil leaks.....wouldn't mind seeing that, but hardly a point of contention for me.

Pilot wound is an effective way of simulating what it might be like to get hit and deal with maintaining conciousness.

Radiator hits effect the 51 the same way....I just kinda think that when I get hit, it's my fault not the developers....what difference does it make if you take hits and the radiator leaks or you lose a control surface, etc.? Ya still got hit didn't ya?

I guess I have an issue with anyone who complains about a product which only takes $15.00 bucks a month out of my pocket. I was around 10 years ago paying 25 times that amount for a product that can't hold a candle to this one.

I'm grateful.

I would like to see improvements just like anyone else, the difference between us is I know they will come and I realize and trust Dale to do what is necessary to grow his business...his resume speaks for itself.

Maybe I just read into your post a pissy whining attitude that wasn't there...is so, I apologize. I see alot of it and frankly, am sick of it.

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« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2002, 12:12:19 PM »
OK, heres a question for IL2 guys, I've been playing a bit of IL2 with all the whoopla over FB it got my interest up. I've downloaded all the latest patches etc.

So I'm doing the LW campaign right, its obvious in the early campaign the enemy AI is turned right down. Its fairly easy to keep on their 6. So I slip in behind a Mig-1 in my 109, I'm right up this guys butt, hes flying straight and level, I start pumping him with 20mm, little puffs and bits fall off, great, I keep pumping and pumping until I'm outta ammo. He's still flying - WTF?

How the hell does a Mig-1 take a crapload of 20mm hits to the fusalage and keep flying?

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« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2002, 12:29:36 PM »
Oleg’s Ready Room answered the gun questions better than I could. Did I agree? Not really, but he made it so whatever.  He said that planes have armor behind the pilot and nothing terribly vital in that area of the planes main airframe except the pilot.

 I’ve said before, raking the wings through the entire plane via rudder input and a yaw “strafe” of sorts results in dead planes. And getting close is the real deal regardless.

 I watched the German actual WWII footage recently posted again and I can’t remember seeing one “AH confetti bomb” there. Lotsa close firing, lotsa pieces falling off. Not much other than that as they speed past. What's more realistic looking?

Try this, go off line in AH and get as close as you NEED to kill in IL-2 with the pitiful mg’s in a AH German fighter. Fire, it goes “BOOM.” Not so close it does what everyone says in the MA, not much at all. Almost like there is a code hit bubble by range on them pee shooters.

Just try it.

What’s right or wrong, I don’t know. Just saying.

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« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2002, 12:36:33 PM »
AH version 2.0 would put all that to rest though - the current version provides sweet gameplay - a few graphical and damage model upgrades and il-2 fans would have a lot less to wag their fingers at. i like them both for different reasons really...

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« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2002, 01:53:47 PM »
Rude what kind of damages are simulated ??
U can either loose the elevator or it will be full functional.
U can loose 1 of the 2 u have but thats not what i mean.
What i mean are holes in it or parts riped out that will say give only 50% performance.

Pilot wound ok maybe its not that dumb but wouldnt it be nice ifit  really kills the pilot they plane tumble to the ground ?
I think WB had or has it allready.

What i mean about the radiator bug is that it happens to often and for sure to often from dead6 positions.
And that cant be true.
I have no problem if the radiator is a week point on the FW and a hit will kill it instantly but thats not true.
For sure a radiator wont survive a direct hit. But the bullet CANT go through the hole plane from behind.
and what is about internal damage like wires hydraulic oil pressure( Spelling is for sure wrong)
AH only displays outside damages. Inside damages like broken or cut control wires doesnt seem to be modeled.

I would pay 30$ a month for it. And all of u did it not long ago or am i wrong?

I would also go and would by the game boxed and spend 45$ for it plus 15$ monthly afterwards to play it.
If i would just get a more modern game for it.

AH shows his age thats what u cant denie.
Ok there will be some very nice releases with the next update but we have like no iformation about it. all they say is nothing.
I would like to hear some features. Why are they so quiet ?
spys from IL-2 WWII ??.
Maybe they working on some real improvements i dont know.

And no this is not a whine, i just like the game and want to discuss issues about it.
Maybe HT reads some of our posts so he can react to make us all more satisfied.
He runs his company with our money. So we should provide him suggestions we have to make the game more enjoyable and to keep it kopmpetetive on the market.
Then there are games on the market u can give AH a hard time if there producer really want to do it.
This is my opinion take it as a whine or not. I just try to give my 2 cents to the discussion.

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I would like to see improvements just like anyone else, the difference between us is I know they will come and I realize and trust Dale to do what is necessary to grow his business...his resume speaks for itself.


This is out of context i pasted it after i wrote all.

I know rude.
I know they are doing a good job and not hanging around and driking bribes the hole day.
I also know that AH knows about his situation on the marked. We agree that grafical improvements has to be done regardless how much work it will  be.
If not they will end like AW. Totally out of date and unrecoverable.
But, and thats taken from above, why dont we get any info ?
This is not a box game where we spend money 1 time and then we will never be in "contact" with the devleloper anymore.
We know HT and HT knows some of us we meet at conventions and we meet outside the game sometimes and drink a beer.
I think a lot of dissapointed players can be satisfied if the HT crew would feed us with some information about what will come in the near future. Thats all nothing more.
I also know, just to get some of the context from above, that IL-2 has not the support around to grow and be an AH competitor as an MMPO.
But even that player better like to play offline in IL-2 then AH online shows that it has to be mentioned and that i might can be a dangerous competitor.

Ok that was my 2 cents now i am done :)
(sorry my spelling sometimes)
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« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2002, 03:14:36 PM »
I'm not talking a high speed glancing shot.

I was parked on this Mig's 6 long enough to write him a loveletter, I poured cannon into his plane from extremely close range. At the very least the rear fusalage should have come apart, the control lines been severed, and I'm sure some 20mm would've made it to the pilot.

The other unusual thing I've found is the gun angle on the 190s, they seem to fire decidely downwards (ie downward deflection of around 5-10 degrees).

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Oleg’s Ready Room answered the gun questions better than I could. Did I agree? Not really, but he made it so whatever.  He said that planes have armor behind the pilot and nothing terribly vital in that area of the planes main airframe except the pilot.

 I’ve said before, raking the wings through the entire plane via rudder input and a yaw “strafe” of sorts results in dead planes. And getting close is the real deal regardless.

 I watched the German actual WWII footage recently posted again and I can’t remember seeing one “AH confetti bomb” there. Lotsa close firing, lotsa pieces falling off. Not much other than that as they speed past. What's more realistic looking?

Try this, go off line in AH and get as close as you NEED to kill in IL-2 with the pitiful mg’s in a AH German fighter. Fire, it goes “BOOM.” Not so close it does what everyone says in the MA, not much at all. Almost like there is a code hit bubble by range on them pee shooters.

Just try it.

What’s right or wrong, I don’t know. Just saying.