Games have rules! Imagine if this were tried in Aces High

[NUKE]

Here in Britain, we are more civilised, and that's why there's never been a need to arm our police

Se how civilized you are when Britain gets invaded again.....

Maybe you would get lucky and America will send arms to you again, to save you from your pacifist, hide from reality, enemy-trusting selves.

Britain and France assured WWII would happen do to Liberal pacifists.  At least they where "civilized" though, my hat's off to them.

[Toad]

Just like AH, a person that chooses to associate himself with the 13th TAS makes a personal decision. IE to join or not to join.

Just like AH, (whether you realize it or not) 13th has a few requirements. Rules, if it makes you feel so much more righteous. The requirement to show a little class in one's communication is one of those, just like the requirement to send HTC $15/month in order to play.

If one finds the very few requirements of membership in the 13th not to his liking or too onerous, one can simply leave.

In like manner, if a player finds the free-for-all nature of AH not to his liking he can go play bridge, where every move and every play is severely structured and has unassailable written instructions. (although rules arguments at bridge tables are very entertaining and very often heated)

Some may feel much more comfortable in such an environment. Enjoy. Why torture yourself here when such nirvana awaits at the bridge table?

Were HTC, in some moment of insanity, to structure AH in the way you desire, I think you'd soon be playing in near-empty arenas. This board endured a veritable blizzard of postings about the need for a "more realistic" arena with "historical matchups",  reduced radar and icons. There was a small but very vocal group. (not as small as your group of one but more vocal than you, even). Needless to say, the vast majority of posters disagreed, commenting that they liked AH the way it was presently designed.

HTC, being the open-minded, generous type gave them their chance to "put up or shut up" and thus the CT was born. Players had the power to make the historical matchups and maps and vary radar and icons within the existing parameters. Predictions of huge success proved extremely optimistic. The numbers tell the story. They were, and still are, a very small minority.

Just like you.

[Leslie]

Imo, the nature of the internet makes online gaming "rule proof."  This game, (AH), is a new game, and not traditional, such as cards games, dominoes, chess, etc.  So, the rules must be made up as we go along.  Internet lag, CTDs, host connection lost, all serve to interrupt and frustrate game play.  So, it's not the same as a card game, where everyone sits at the table drinking beer.

From what I can see, the condition of a CoC (code of conduct) exists in the CT.   The CT players who come into the Main Arena bring this with them.  I'm sure this same CoC will follow over to the Mission Arena when it becomes a reality.

As far as the MA goes Beet1e, it's incumbent on the players to police their own arena.  Ask yourself one question, what can you do as an AH player to improve the game.  And this goes for everyone.

1)  Don't complain in a negative manner.  Offer constructive criticism.

2)  Never taunt or belitttle another player, even when provoked.  Let your guns do your talking.  

3)  Have respect for others,  they will respect you in return.

4)  Never accuse another player of cheating without contacting HTC first.

5)  Always ask for permission, or get a sitrep before taking command of a CV.

6)  Fly a bomber formation and learn about bombing.  Make a mission and bring along escorts.

7)  Fly more goons, and respond to a goon when they call for a sitrep.


These are the rules, and they are not all easy to follow.  What you get from the game is directly proportional to what you put into it.


Les

[Dowding (Work)]

Se how civilized you are when Britain gets invaded again.....

Hmmm... Britain hasn't been invaded for a thousand years.

BTW, how's the statistics classes going. Still having trouble with the concept of averages?

Britain and France assured WWII would happen do to Liberal pacifists.

Those very same 'liberal pacifists' fought in WW1. And watched millions die in a filthy, blood soaked, pointless hell-hole. No-one wanted a repeat of that, no-one. How can you blame them for not wanting a conflict?

WWII was guaranteed to happen because of two things:

a) Treaty of Versailles

b) The Wall Street Crash

Without both factors, Hitler would never have gotten in a position of power. Before the Middle classes lost all their money and savings due to the crash, Hitler was regarded as lunatic. Afterwards, he seemed to be their only way out.

[NUKE]

Hmmm... Britain hasn't been invaded for a thousand years.

I should have said Europe, and the threat of invasion when Britain was " apart from the Air and Navy", "almost an un-armed people"  according to Churchill.

[GRUNHERZ]

AH has rules.

The FM is the "rules", and we argue about them without end...

[NUKE]

British and French Liberal, Pacifist, Enemy Trusting, Hide-from-reality Officials did nothing to prevent WWII.

They simply turned a frightened eye away from the events they didn't have the guts to confront. They allowed WWII to happen, no doubt about it.

Germany was illegally re-arming, so France responded by agreeing to cut troops from 500,000 to 200,000 and allow Germany to reach 200,000 and parity.

Chamberlain, in true Liberal fashion,  helped by having Hitler sign a peace of paper.

Liberals are the same today: Trust the enemy, dis-arm, sign treaties and adhear to them as the enemy breaks them, etc

Above all, "make sure we stay weak, blind and unprepaired" seems to be a Liberal hallmark

[Dowding (Work)]

I should have said Europe...

So Geography can be added to Mathematics as subjects you struggle with?

Germany was illegally re-arming, so France responded by agreeing to cut troops from 500,000 to 200,000 and allow Germany to reach 200,000 and parity.

Chamberlain, in true Liberal fashion, helped by having Hitler sign a peace of paper.

There was no will in either France or Britain to enforce the terms of Versailles. If you'd lived through WW1, I think the idea of conflict barely 20 years later would fill you with horror. In addition, Europe was terrified of the Red Menace and were thankful Hitler wasn't a communist - he seemed to be doing great things for Germany and Versailles was seen as a shameful injustice. Indeed Hitler might be an ally against Stalin.

With hindsight, they were naiive and unrealistic in their approach to Hitler - but 20/20 hindsight is such a wonderful thing 70 years later, isn't it?

BTW, Chamberlain wasn't a liberal. He was a conservative.

[NUKE]

With hindsight, they were naiive and unrealistic in their approach to Hitler - but 20/20 hindsight is such a wonderful thing 70 years later, isn't it?

Funny thing is, people like Churchill saw the writing on the wall, but nobody wanted to hear the truth, because they where too busy hiding their heads in the sand.

Same goes for Liberals today, they hope for the best and leave the rest up to their love of the enemy and their belief that all will be ok if they just show compassion to everyone who wants to kill them.

[lazs2]

beetle... I have no doubt that one of our allmost 300,000,000 million American citizens agrees with you.... I know a person here who insists that he seen Elvis 2 years ago in a quik stop market buying twinkies.   I wouldn't even doubt that they are the same one.

and a lot of your police most certainlyu are armed and they will become more so every year not less.

still.... even though your countries effeminate nerosis against an inatimate object like a firearm is causing thousnds of it's law abiding citizens to be helpless from englands criminal class.... I don't feel obligated to use that fact as a lecture in every sig.   I mean... If yu wanna be sheep that's your affair.
lazs

[beet1e]

Mr. Toad -

Were HTC, in some moment of insanity, to structure AH in the way you desire, I think you'd soon be playing in near-empty arenas.

Well, people whine when it's Pizza time. And yet in the small hours of the morning (peak time US) I still see 400 or more players online. Maybe the Pizza whiners are a minority?  As to your remark, quoted above, I guess we'll just have to wait to see how 1.11 and the Mission Arena works out.

[beet1e]

Lazs!  Sorry, I almost didn't see you there. You must have replied just as I was adding my post above. hehe, my sig has really got you going, hasn't it, mi old China? Well, guess you'll just have to go bleating to HTC for them to implement a rule about length and content of sigs. My sig contains no profanity, is not insulting, and is even supported by factual data supplied by the Home Office - that group of British Government "conspirators" which you despise, because they provide data about how many Americans have been killed by guns. As far as I can tell, Skuzzy has no objection to my sig. He would have told me by now. Of course, I'm not saying he necessarily agrees with it himself. But you're going to have to take the rough with the smooth. If you support a stance of no rules in the AH gaming arenas, you can't come here and start telling people what they can and cannot say in their sigs.

Just to add a bit of salt, I have just received an email from an AH friend in Europe who said he thought I was absolutely right in that gun thread. Not sure which - there have been many.

[lazs2]

where have i advocated using some "rule" to have your sig removed?   If common sense won't do it then go ahead... look (more) foolish... Oh... to rub salt in the wound.... I got another email from someone in your neck of the woods who is loving every minute of your humiliation..  Sorry tho, can't say who it is this time either ... private email.  

Oh... and england does not have 15 times less homicides per capita than the U.S. so your sig is indeed missleading... your personal comment about gun pointing is just plain stupid.
lazs

"I can understand your perception of your somewhat non-gun culture England to our somewhat pro-gun culture USA.
Understand that the chances of getting shot at in the US is far less than what you perceive it to be. I have never been shot at or ever had a gun pointed at me. In 4 occasions in my life I've had to point my firearm at individuals to prevent violence. They decided it was better to stop and leave rather than getting shot. I used my firearm to prevent violence and no one got hurt. Had I not had a firearm at those times, I probably would be injured, or killed. In a couple of instances I would of lost my valuables also. The police would have not been able to save me in those instances.
I have been shooting off and on for over 33 of my 40 years. I am a good shot at both pistol and rifle. I was on my high school rifle team (had to qualify as US Army expert to get on the team). My present firearms include:
1) SigSauer P220-45 (tritium night sights) w/ Barstow stainless comp barrel.
2) SigSauer P230 in .380
3) Remington 700 PSS .308 barrel has been Cryomaxed and will shoot down to 1/4" center to center 3-shot groups with factory match ammo at 100 meters.
4) L1A1 that has been legally modified (meets both Federal and California laws), will shoot down to 1" center to center 3-shot groups with factory match ammo at 100 meters.
I don't go around waiting to shoot at people. I've never shot anyone. Neither has any of my friends. Actually I've known several cops and none of them has actually shot anyone (San Francisco, Burlingame, San Mateo, San Bruno, Belmont).
I own my guns mainly for target shooting. Self defense is a secondary reason for me. Peace of mind. Am I for private ownership of firearms here in the US? Damn straight.
Am I for England to pass and keep whatever gun restriction laws they wish to for English citizens? Yes sir.
Regards. "

[Toad]

AH will always continue to expand and change. That was the plan from the very beginning. However, I seriously doubt that the MA will ever have the structure and "rules" you espouse.

The Mission Arena? Only HTC knows what's coming there and it won't be in 1.11 so we're all in for a wait. We'll see if it proves as overwhelmingly popular as the CT turned out to be. Even so, there'll still be the MA, won't there? Best of both worlds perhaps.

And from the Pizza discontent I take this: The map that apparently draws the most criticism still draws a 400+ crowd in the "ruleless" MA that seems to play Moby Dick to your Captain Ahab. So IF there really is major discontent over the Pizza map, apparently the lawless atmosphere of the MA provides more than enough compensation to enchant the player base.

I personally believe {Disclaimer: Personal opinion follows. Feel free to Disagree} that your essentially one man crusade to "organize" the MA to your liking is just another facet of your apparent need to remold US society into the English image.

For all the oft posted commentary on American arrogance, it seems to me that many of you Euros need to look in a mirror. The vast majority of complaints about HO's, about chute shooting, about the need for "rules" in the MA, the various "perk" debates, the crying about "porked" FM data seem to originate on the far side of the Atlantic. Yes, there's a a few guys over here but the majority seem to be over there.

Is there some intrinsic Euro need to continually meddle in other folks' fun?

We had our little disagreement about the divine right of kings a few centuries back. We're pretty happy with the way it turned out and, indeed, the King's word is no longer unquestionable where you live either. Seems you finally came around to our way of thinking on that one.

So let's not try to turn back the clock, eh? Just play the game. If you don't like the game, there's an obvious, painless solution available to all of us with the simple click of the mouse.

[bounder]

Just play the game. If you don't like the game, there's an obvious, painless solution available to all of us with the simple click of the mouse.

I really couldn't agree more

And NUKE, your earnest wittering  on th e origins of WWII is a great cause of hilarity amongst the list i reposted your message to.