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Offline Wotan

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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2002, 02:52:11 AM »
Rudel killed most of his tanks in the g model. He did fly a d model thats he sunk the Soviet battleship and cruiser with.

His air 2 air kills came in the F8 and d9. He had a few "stuka" kills mostly from manuvering.

The d3 was heavier and farless manuverable then the d1.

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Rudel was then posted to the new special "Panzerjagdkommando Weiss" unit formed at Briansk to test newly developed tank-busting version of Ju-87 D-3.Modified Stuka armed with two Rheinmetall-Borsig 37mm (BK) Flak 18 guns (each mounted in special canopy under each wing with 6 rounds of ammunition) was developed at the Luftwaffe's experimental station at Rechlin (near Neustrelitz, Germany). Prototypes were used at first against Soviet landing crafts in the Black Sea and in the space of three weeks, Rudel destroyed 70 such boats.In March of 1943, during a tank battle around Belgorod, Rudel knocked out his first tank with his new tank-busting Stuka - "... my rear gunner who said that the tank exploded like a bomb and he had seen bits of it crashing down behind us." (Hans-Ulrich Rudel). Later on, more Ju-87 D-3s were converted to tank-busters and were designated as Ju-87 G-1 (often nicknamed Panzerknacker - Tank Buster or Kanonenvogel - Cannon Bird) and started arriving on the Eastern Front in October of 1943.



The d3 version was a modified d1 with heavier armor as the roll of the stuka changed. They were being tasked with attacking armor. The stuka was never a "Schlachtflugzeug" until the d3 d5 g1 g5 models. I dont think Rudel ever flew a d5.

Hohun explained a while back what the original roll of the stuka was in case you are unsure. I didnt feel like searching for he thread or re-typing it here. I will say originally the Stuka was a battlefield interdiction aircraft not a close support aircraft. It was pressed into service on the east front because the lw had no choice.
 
Rudel however was a nut. He took many chances that should of got him killed. It was luck he survived the war. Most of his tank kills came after he switched to the g model.

Rudel flew 400 sorties in a fw190 and some credit him with 11 a2a kills. But the number will never be known. Some of his tank kills were scored for his unit as he was flying against orders.

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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2002, 04:44:18 AM »
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pass the bong, dude.
 if you dont trust me,,,go look it up for your self,,because thats the truth,,the guy was really out there,,,maybe he wasnt,,he mite have sold his soul,,,i guess he really beleved so,,,it was even on the history channel:)

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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2002, 01:04:54 AM »
OK, OK, but as he said: pass the the bong

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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2002, 05:09:04 AM »
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...it was even on the history channel


Don't believe everything they say at history channel.

Their historical accuracy is sometimes...umm....well, not quite historically accurate.

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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2002, 11:14:32 AM »
No Siren  :( :( :(
Thats the worst part :(
Freeze

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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2002, 01:24:35 PM »
The Stuka's been out a long time in Warbirds....noone ever used it because it's too slow. Good for historical scenarios, that's about it.
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2002, 05:43:04 PM »
Ill keep flying the il2 for CAS
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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2002, 05:49:36 PM »
I hope they do a G model.  I remember some hilarious missions in WB, with a swarm of Ju 87G's strafing and vulching and dogfighting and generally angering the fighter pukes.  :)

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« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2002, 09:11:37 PM »
The IL-2 is basically useless, and it will continue to be useless until the Flakpansie gets perked.  

You might think the Stuka will be good (at least a G model), and I'll concede that it would be INTERESTING... but it will be even more useless than the IL-2.

The IL-2 has 2 23mm cannon that just shred vehicles.  Its got 4 rockets that just shred vehicles.  It has 6 bombs that are pretty useless against anything but M-3s and M-16s.. or 2 bombs that are slightly bigger but still useless.  

The problem is, to hit stuff with the cannon or rockets you have to be inside of 1k or so.  You also have to be pointed at your target.  The biggest problem is that at least 75% of the vehicles you'll be 'hunting' can kill you in 1 hit.

The Stuka will have 2 really big cannon (37mm) with only 6 rounds apiece.  The Hurricane 2D has 2 really big cannons (40mm) with more than that.  I don't know exactly how much more, because since the plane is utterly useless I don't fly it.  

The Hurricane 2C is far more useful against tanks than the 2D, and it is also better for strafing M-16s and M-3s.  Both of them are dogmeat if they try to take on a Flakpansie.

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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2002, 10:13:23 PM »
"Remember don't forget to bring a towel... Want to  get high? "



"It's on TV, you need to believe everything the TV says"

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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2002, 02:48:22 AM »
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Originally posted by Solomo
The Stuka's been out a long time in Warbirds....noone ever used it because it's too slow. Good for historical scenarios, that's about it.
Cheers,
Solo


lol, u looks like u dont see too much ju87 raids in WB
so, so dont tell noone.
Sure, mostly stuka is need for historical scenarios.
But should we not here for that?
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