Author Topic: 109F-4 Vs. 109G-2: (Read 415 times)

eskimo2 · « **on:** November 29, 2002, 10:16:46 AM »

I've flown both of these planes quite a bit and use the same tactics with each of them against the same types of enemy planes. To me they feel like the same plane, but perhaps the F-4 feels a bit lighter, or maybe I just believe it feels lighter because its earlier than the G-2...

My question is; has anyone compared these two planes against each other, as modeled in AH?
What are the differences in: climb rate, top speed, acceleration, flat turn rate, roll rate etc.?

Thanks,
eskimo

Urchin · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2002, 11:29:52 AM »

Just from flying em- the 109F4 turns better. It is lighter than the 109G2, but the G2 has a bigger engine so it climbs and accelerates better than the F4. Actually, the G2 climbs and accelerates better than the G6, and I think it is faster to. I know the G2 is faster than the F4 is.

In terms of climbing, acceleration, and top speed the F4 is the worst, then the G6, then the G2, and the G10 is the best.

In terms of turning, the F4 is the best, then the G2, then the G10 (in my opinion), then the G6.

E4 is the best 'turning' 109, but it gets to slow to fast, so I actually prefer the F4.

Soda · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2002, 11:37:42 AM »

The 109F is the best turner, puts up decent climb/acceleration numbers, but doesn't have the speed of the later 109's. It also has the small calibre cowl guns, making them somewhat useless.

The 109G2 has more power, better, climb, somewhat less turn, being 400lb's heavier than the F. Still has the 7.9mm cowl guns of the F. The G2 is the second best performing 109 though, better than the heavier G6 but not quite up to the G10 levels. I like the G2 since it can still turn, but it can also climb well. You can actually take gondolas on the G2 and still have sufficient performance to maneuver...

The 109G6 is heavier still, turns worse, and has poorer performance overall, but offers two key upgrades. The cowl weapons move up to 13mm, making them useful, and the spinner cannon can be a 30mm cannon now, or the 20mm.

I tend to prefer the G2, some people like to turn-fight a little more so take the F4, people who like more firepower take the G6.

-Soda
The Assassins.

Kweassa · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2002, 12:55:21 PM »

The top speed of our Bf10G-6 is about the same as the Bf109F-4.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2002, 01:12:16 PM »

The G6 is faster than F4 at AH alts.

AtmkRstr · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2002, 01:15:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Soda
The cowl weapons move up to 13mm, making them useful

Learn to play with your food. It's enjoyable. Use only the 7.9mm unless your prey is getting away. See how many control surfaces you can remove before your prey augers out of frustration.

It's especially fun against low, slow P47s.

Soda · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2002, 01:54:29 PM »

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Learn to play with your food

That tends to lead you to death in the MA, too many enemies around who love to play caboose while you play with your kills.

-Soda
The Assassins.

AtmkRstr · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2002, 02:26:34 PM »

Just fly where there's only one or two enemy planes in the sector. In AKDESERT, it's easy to find a loner milkrunning heavy jabo under 15k.

P38s turn pretty well so there's often an opertunity to wound the pilot before toying with the control surfaces.

P51s are pretty fast so it's best to take a wingtip off with cannon before playing with the other wing. After cliping both wing tips, it's a race to see if you can break the tail before the ground does.

No, I didn't torture bugs when I was a kid. Not often anyways.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2002, 08:00:56 AM »

Dont underestimate the proformance of the 109f4 at an ALT of 15k-22k .... Its speed and climb are very near the g2's (near the g10 also)

On deck the proformance is reduced...

The g2 clearly has better proformance.

At 10k i give a slight advantage to the g2's engine... But the 109f4 can really shine given low G manuevers... A 2.5g turn in the F4 is like a 3 g turn of the G2...

This can translate into a pretty even fight if the F4 pilots doesn't blow his E until necessary.

I prefer the 109f4 for paint job alone ....

if the 109f4 had increased 7.62 dammage I think it would be one of my main rides even over the g10.. but my assists go way up whenever I fly it as it is currently modeled. Too many times have i dumped into someone at 300m or less; do catastrophic dammage and be kill stolen as the wingless or tailess plane failing to the ground gets gobbled up by hispos or HO cannons....

Thats the type of crap that pisses me off... And the 109F4 is put on the backburner....

My 2 cents.

DoctorYO

Wotan · « **Reply #9 on:** December 02, 2002, 08:39:19 AM »

From 10000Ft to 22000ft the 109f is faster then the g6

below 10 K the g6 is faster..........

At 18k the 109f will do about 390 The g6 never gets that fast. At 18k it gets about 385. The g2 will hit 400.

above 22k the g6 is faster the the f4

The g2 is faster then either the 109f or g6. The 109f4 turns better and between 9k and 17k it climbs better then either the g6 or g2.

This is without gondolas for all 3 and 20 mm hub cannon.

Below 10k the g2/g6 climbs much better then the f4. Above 17k all 3 climb about the same with a slight edge to the g2.

Between 10k - 18k the f4 holds it own with the g6 or g2.

The g10 is huge leap in speed and climb. It would be great to have a later g6 model to fill the gap. None of the other 109s are close to matching its speed or climb at any alt.

It comes down to a matter of preference. I find the g6 is the funnest to fly.

Eagler · « **Reply #10 on:** December 02, 2002, 09:47:10 AM »

109f with 50% fuel and gonds is my fav ride

something about the g2 doesn't sit well with me, maybe its the funny crosses on the wings

Kweassa · « **Reply #11 on:** December 02, 2002, 10:23:52 AM »

I usually fly G-10, but out of necessity, not choice. If the MA environment would somehow shift to 1943 standards, I'd gladly use the G-2. The F-4 is a true thoroughbred of the 109s no doubt, but the G-2 is a powerful mix of E-fighter with very responsive controls and excellent maneuverability(although, unfortunately not as good as the Spitfire-types)... well flown, it can even hold its own against planes like the Yak-9U or La-7..!

udet · « **Reply #12 on:** December 02, 2002, 12:03:04 PM »

I fly the G10, because it's the default plane

The La7 is superior to the G10 in every respect at low altitudes. Any other plane, you can nail if you keep your E, and airspeed above 200. It also climbs steeply and nicely at just above 200, but, again, it cannot match an La7.
I use the 30mm cannon and no gondolas.
The F4 is a delightful plane, can outmaneuver a Spit 9, if you keep your speed high enough. It lacks severely in the firepower department, and adding gondola is, IMO, too high a price to pay for the degradation in performance.