Author Topic: Question to religious "pro-lifers" (only, plz). (Read 2560 times)

Kieran · « **Reply #30 on:** December 02, 2002, 06:42:10 PM »

What's wrong with that? It's just a few clumps of unviable tissue... certainly nothing to get upset about.

Thrawn · « **Reply #31 on:** December 02, 2002, 06:46:48 PM »

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Originally posted by LoneStarBuckeye
Thrawn:

What does "viability" mean? Is a fetus viable only when it can exist on its own, outside of the womb.

That's what I think.

Recently a judge in the US state that doctors of a coma patient could stop feeding her at her husbands request. She's been in a vegatative state for 7 years, she's going to starve to death. What about her moral authority?

What IS a human being is a very complex issue. As to why most pro-choicer chose viablility, that was covered extensively in a thread you will find about two weeks back.

Thrawn · « **Reply #32 on:** December 02, 2002, 06:48:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
What's wrong with that? It's just a few clumps of unviable tissue... certainly nothing to get upset about.

I'm no more upset by it then seeing any other human tissue. Some other people on this board are probably more sensitive to it and as such it was in extrodinarily poor test. Much like that eviserated deer Rip posted.

-ammo- · « **Reply #33 on:** December 02, 2002, 06:54:20 PM »

Excuse me, that is NOTHING like the harvested deer that Rip posted.

That IS a murdered baby.

NUKE · « **Reply #34 on:** December 02, 2002, 06:57:35 PM »

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I'm no more upset by it then seeing any other human tissue. Some other people on this board are probably more sensitive to it and as such it was in extrodinarily poor test

What if someone came up and kicked your pregnant wife and killed the fetus at a late stage? Would you be no more upset than if she had a wart burned off her face? After all, it's just human un-viable tissue, nothing more.

If I did that, at least the law would prosecute me, even if you wouldn't.

You see Thrawn, that would be considered manslaughter here........ isn't that interesting how the law works?

I mean, on the one hand, it's not a life..... on the other , it is!

So what is it? Let me know please.

Thrawn · « **Reply #35 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:01:14 PM »

Maybe to you ammo, but not to me.

If it was late stage Nuke, then I would consider it murder.

Which state is this manslaughter law in, Nuke? Arizona?

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #36 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:02:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
I'm no more upset by it then seeing any other human tissue.

If that's true, then I'm truly sorry for you. My baby boy looked just about like that when I saw him being born.

- JNOV

Thrawn · « **Reply #37 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:03:24 PM »

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Originally posted by LoneStarBuckeye
If that's true, then I'm truly sorry for you. My baby boy looked just about like that when I saw him being born.

- JNOV

My baby girl was a fair bit larger.

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #38 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:09:51 PM »

Thrawn:

You are hard core. My soul-based argument definitely would have been lost on you. I think you'd need to have one yourself before you could appreciate it.

- JNOV

Thrawn · « **Reply #39 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:12:56 PM »

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Originally posted by LoneStarBuckeye
Thrawn:

You are hard core. My soul-based argument definitely would have been lost on you. I think you'd need to have one yourself before you could appreciate it.

- JNOV

I fear it would have been. I do not believe in a soul in the christian sense. I believe we and every thing are part of an unversal soul if you will, God/Universe/Tao, or what have you.

NUKE · « **Reply #40 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:17:20 PM »

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Which state is this manslaughter law in, Nuke? Arizona?

Happens here, and most other states.

Example:

State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims

Because California law permits murder charges to be filed in the death of a fetus 7 or 8 weeks after conception, and Soltys's wife was about 3 months pregnant, Soltys is being charged with 7 counts of murder.

When Susan MacGuire was gunned down a year ago, her unborn child also died. Counting the fetus as a human being, prosecutors charged the woman's ex-husband with two counts of capital murder

Detroit, murder of fetus

Iowa code

To name a few......any comments?

Kieran · « **Reply #41 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:21:08 PM »

Yikes Thrawn, that blows me away. You can't spank your child, but you could kill that baby without a thought?

I'm truly out on this thread.

Thrawn · « **Reply #42 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:25:06 PM »

Thank you for links Nuke. I would like to point out that the in the first two case the unborn children where both viable outside the uterus so I would definately agree that charges should be laid.

There does appear to be some controversy over the second two cases. Do you know if they were able to make the charges stick?

mietla · « **Reply #43 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:25:40 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sick Bastard!

What's wrong MT, don't you like the way a "choice" looks?

midnight Target · « **Reply #44 on:** December 02, 2002, 07:36:10 PM »

Showing pictures of extreme late term abortions to make a point is ludicrous. What exactly does it prove? Could have been a stillborn infant for all you know. How far along was that child? Any Idea?

BS!