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Offline Dowding (Work)

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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2002, 06:29:39 AM »
I was just speaking aloud. If people want to go for this cash bonanza, then good luck to them. :)

I was just surprised by the lengths you would have to go to, to get that all important ranking.

I will say this though, when I used to play AH more, I could consistently get in the top 10 attack rating simply by doing my usual tiffie anti-vh jabo runs and maybe downing a flak panzer or unwary fighter. That's the only category that seems to suit my style of play (or maybe, vice versa ;)).

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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2002, 06:46:11 AM »
Well done on the stat explanation Wotan

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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2002, 06:54:46 AM »
and who cares about rank?
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2002, 07:16:25 AM »
Very well said Apar, I couldn't agree more.

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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2002, 07:19:52 AM »
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and who cares about rank?


The CV Captains care.  The top 15 care. That's about it.

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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2002, 08:03:35 AM »
I say give the 100 bucks to the best Hog pilot :D

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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2002, 08:25:37 AM »
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The reason  why I don't like the idea is this.

Up till now AH was a mixture of people flying lonewolf, or in squadron, playing to win the war, or just for fun. The MA consists of cherry pickers, milkrunners, perk dweebs, furball maniacs, vulchers, dedicated GV drivers, dedicated bomber pilots, late war plane fanatics, early war plane fanatics, just plain 'one plane or plane series' fanatics, suicide dweebs, score potatos, etc etc etc.
People do what they want to do in the MA pure for pleasure nothing more nothing less.

Why lobside this balance by rewarding just a certain type of players (score fanatics) for their high overal rank? I really don't see the point. It leads to the idea that high scored players are 'better AH gamers' than for instant dedicated bomber pilots or GV drivers, which are game features HTC included himself.

I don't give a damn about the money, but it seems to me that money prices belong to Events and tournements, and not to the daily fun in the MA.

Oh, and ya can check my stats anytime, it's pointless, because I don't fly for score.

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Amen, Apar!  This has to rank as one of the most reasonable, lucid posts in here in a very long time.

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2002, 08:48:44 AM »
Wotan, your explanation only serves to prove that it is gaming the game to increase rank.

If it was a real war (I know it's not) you would probably recieve a court marshal for dropping only 1 bomb on a target and then coming home. When you go out on a combat mission, your objective should be destruction of the target and earning rank by your acheivement. By someone dropping the one 4k bomb and going home, they are just proving that they are playing a statisitcs game to inflate hit%.

Fighters should be able to lug ords to target, drop them and kill stuff and get credit for it without having to select that particular scoring catagory and play another numbers game. Many fighters (myself included) bring ords to an enemy airfield to cripple strat targets, even though I am scoring in the fighter catagory.

Kills/time is also a BS factor for fighter scoring. In order to get a high K/T, you need to furball. That usually means low altitude fights in a big mass of planes, which basically precludes E fighters with .50 caliber guns.

Question: What plane(s) do the guys with K/T over 10.0 use to get those numbers?

Question: What is the highest K/T acheived in a P-51 since the current flight model?

Question: What is the average K/T acheived in a P-51 since the current flight model?

Personally, I would like to see a break down of the ranking figures for each aircraft, rather than having them all lumped together. Would be interesting to see for all vehicle types as well.

Bottom line is, you shouldn't have to pick and choose targets and worry about how many bombs it took to kill the target you engaged. In real war, the object was to kill the target and not worry about if it was done in 1 or 2 or even 10 bombs.

IMO, hit % should be removed from the rank equation after you reach a minimum number (say 12% for fighters). This eliminates the 'spray and pray' types, but doesn't hurt guys that aren't shooting potatos and getting 1 ping kills.

The same thing for bombers. If you can get your bomb hit % above 50%, then hit % should no longer be a factor in ranking. The way it is now, any bomber that goes out to carpet bomb a target is being penalized. And on larger raids, where 2 or more bombers are working together, there just aren't enough targets to hit.

With the current target layouts (strats and fields) and the new bombing system, it is basically impossible to destroy the entire target without having several bombs missing. So the system lets the LANC pilot who dropped one bomb on the city to rank higher than the B17 pilot who leveled an entire flack factory. THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG

I do not like HTCs ranking system, and I do not like the idea of playing statistics to get a high rank. IMO Ranking high should be all about getting kills and getting home again, regardless of how long it take to do it.

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2002, 08:50:09 AM »
Best way to goose your bomber score....

Take a single Lanc to a capped feild..Take 14 1K eggs...Salvo set to 3...Jabo 4 hangers and drop the last two on VH or town...Then strafe town with your mg's and land.Watch your buff score soar
....Jabo in lanc is easy,just practice offline.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2002, 09:29:17 AM »
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Best way to goose your bomber score....

Take a single Lanc to a capped feild..Take 14 1K eggs...Salvo set to 3...Jabo 4 hangers and drop the last two on VH or town...Then strafe town with your mg's and land.Watch your buff score soar
....Jabo in lanc is easy,just practice offline.



By "goose" I am sure you meant to say, "screw up".

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2002, 09:31:23 AM »
Don't forget to strafe your own hangars while in FIGHTER mode to improve your gunnery ;)

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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2002, 10:28:24 AM »
Seems to be the easiest way is to have two accounts, and I suspect it is happening already. Two accounts, two P.C.'s on a home network. Logon early morning when not many people are on and keep killing yourself. I think it is already happening - was on last night (4.00 a.m. EST) when someone landed over 70 kills in a field gun! That equated to over the total of any two sides combined.
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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2002, 10:36:58 AM »
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By "goose" I am sure you meant to say, "screw up".


Killing 5 hangers and a town in one plane and landing safely will screw up your score?..lol
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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2002, 11:12:35 AM »
Real quick as i am off to launch

Kev367th

Field gun kills arent included in your rank. Even if someone does the dual account thing they still have to deack a field and respawn over and over to get kills. You can get kills faster doing a regular vulch. Read above about k/t and Fighter rank to understand.

Ripsnort

Wrong

you cant strafe your own hanger to improve your hit % in fighters. The only hit % that counts for fighter rank is hit % vrs nme (includes planes bombers and even gvs). Hits against objects are  not counted in fighter rank.

Sirloin you are porkin bomber rank that way. If you just drop the 4k on the twn it would be better for your rank because 1 bomb will kill multiple  targets and your hit % will be well above 100 %. To kill a hanger with 1 k 4k bomb is 1 bomb for 1 object destroyed and your hit % will be 100%. If  you use 2 2ks then it will be 2 bombs  to kill1 structure, or if you use 1ks its 3 bombs per 1 structure and you hit % goes down below 100%. Yes you screw your bomb rank up that way.

Midnight  

In real war bombers sorties are planned in detail with primary and alt targets. Sometimes bombers turned back with out dropping on anything.

Fighters flew 6 hour sorties many times never seeing a an nme. In rl war dieing was feared and the guys who could get kills and bring his aircraft home was rewarded.

But this a game like you said.

This following is not directed at anyone person. I have to include this disclaimer because I will get 10 guys telling me that it doesnt aply to them as if I said it did.

Anyone can maintain a high k/d flying the fastest  plane in ah and flying 5 k above the nearest enemy. These tactics make sense in a real war, Aces High is a game about air combat. Spending an hour cruising around looking for ez kills so you can practice "aerial straffing" runs is not combat. Imagine if the main were full of these types. I would quit ah out of boredom.

K/t, k/s and k/d all help ensure that folks fight. Its not "gaming" to enter furball and shoot 5 people in a few minutes and rtb. Whats gamey is taking the fastest plane in the arena (one which in the whole scheme of ww2 was rare) and refusing to engage except when you have an advantage.

I dont care how anyone flies. Have fun. But the "score" system should reward players that fight and who "risk" something.

My personal k/t is never higher then about 7. I am not that good and my gunnery is horrible. My fighter rank is rarely in the top 100 as a result.

But overall rank is not dependent upon fighter rank. If you dont "do it all" then you wont be rewarded with a higher overall rank. That means bombers, attack and gv sorties. I think bombers are a complete bore. GVS are just wrong and I usually end up pissed off at the end of a sortie.

But what does rank mean? Nothing. Why do you feel cheated? Rank until this "contest" was simply away to gain control of a fleet.....Big deal. Everyone who chooses to take part in the contest lives by the same rules. No one gets "cheated".

No one looks at the scores and says "look this guy sucks because he ranked 211". People arent that stupid. The top 15 guys dont go around all cocky saying "look how much better I am then you"

As for this contest, who cares. Either you make effort to win it or you dont. It has no impact unless you choose to participate. This post was about the easiest way to advance your rank. Its not the only way. Theres a balance that can be achieved between playing for rank and having fun.

You dont need to finish in the top 15 of any category just in the top 15 overall.  

Heres the number ranked pilot last tour. I hope AG doesnt mind. And please dont take this as a reason to jump all over him.

AG had 1300 kill and like 200 odd some deaths




Heres some of the planes he flew (he flew almost all of umm btw.)



Now put anyone else stats up and tell me why you think they should be ranked higher?

Look at his fighter scores. Could his k/d be higher if he fly at 25k? Yup easily. But he flies lo and heads to the nearest furball and shoots lotsa guys down and rtbs to land his kills. Yup he vulches just like you all the guys that are ranked lower. Just like I do.

As for bombers, well thats how it works kill more structures with less ord you hit % goes up. Getting to target and puttting bombs there gets you a reward in the bomber rank. Ack starrin, missing your drops and gettin killed hurts you. Its that simple. If wanna call it gaming go ahead its no more gamey then capture the flag/map room or any other number of things.

This it for me in this thread as the last few posts are the same "you rank higher then me so you are a dual account own hanger straffing cheater". Its the same tired bs from the other threads.

I would have liked to have seen an award given for events and for the upcoming mission theater. If this had been added for the ct it may have helped make it a better alternative for the main. But the way it is you can take it or leave it. Play or dont its up to you.

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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2002, 11:20:45 AM »
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Killing 5 hangers and a town in one plane and landing safely will screw up your score?..lol


I looked at your score and it doesnt seem to be working very well for you :)