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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2002, 01:00:45 PM »
Heh, maybe I worded my reply a little too strongly. I apologise. Of course, you're right. I was born too late to truly understand the situation; however I still maintain that Thatcher (and the Tories after 1992 when the last of the mines were killed off) should have done more. Governments should be above malice.

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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2002, 05:52:49 AM »
Dowding - No apology needed. My life has probably turned out very differently from how yours will. I found myself a protégé of Thatcherite Britain. I had made all the moves that kept me in step with it. The greatest financial difficulties that I have had to deal with have all been bestowed upon me by Labour.

I agree that the rundown of old industries and the abolition of antiquated working practices in the 1980s was brutal, but that's the sort of thing that happens when problems are left to stagnate for too long, as they had under Labour. In the 15 years from 1964-1979, only about 3½ years were under Tory government - Ted Heath. The rest of that time, industry was in decline under a blinkered Labour government. I always remember when Jim Callaghan came back from the West Indies to face the 1979 Winter of Discontent, and when asked what he was going to do about the crisis said words to the effect of "I see no crisis". A few months later, his government was bounced out of office on a Vote of No Confidence - LOL!  Talk about blinkered. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2002, 08:25:59 AM »
Beetle and Dowding, here you see the roots of the fundamental difference in ..... those rates.

You guys are already kissing and making up.

Yanks would still be in the mutual "death threat" stage.

it was fun while it lasted.  ;)
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« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2002, 08:33:23 AM »
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Beetle and Dowding, here you see the roots of the fundamental difference in ..... those rates.

You guys are already kissing and making up.

Yanks would still be in the mutual "death threat" stage.

it was fun while it lasted.  ;)

Shurely you mean the "gun play" stage :D
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« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2002, 08:34:35 AM »
Well, the only weapon getting much use here is the keyboard.......
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« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2002, 09:37:43 AM »
Mr. Toad!  Welcome back to my thread. :)
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You guys are already kissing and making up.
Well no, not really. We never fell out to begin with. I think both Dowding and myself each struck a raw nerve of the other. But I understand how Dowding's life must have been, and vice-versa - it would seem. No need for guns. Dowding can take my last cold beer. No weapons. The pen is mightier than the sword, and maybe the keyboard is mightier than the gun. ;)

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« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2002, 10:08:09 AM »
words are often more powerful than weapons especially if everyone is armed equally to begin with.   It does however allways pay to use the proper tool for the job... it seems that they are not useing their keyboards effectively in limeyland against criminals...

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms each year... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something

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« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2002, 10:19:47 AM »
You emphasize my point, Beetle. Thanks.

Canada has more firearms than E/W/S. It probably has a nearly equal ratio of firearms/person with the US.

Yet has a lower homicide/100k rate than either E/W/S or the US.

You'll have to look deeper than the inanimate object red herring.

It's the difference in the people/culture I think. How else do you explain Canada's situation?
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« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2002, 10:31:06 AM »
Lazs -
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the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england...
I take it this was your own addendum to the quote, as I note the erroneous spelling of "tragic" and the Americanised spellings of words like "brutalising". Grammatical errors aside, this quote is complete bollocks. You must have an arse the size of funked's - I should know - I've had to kiss that a few times - LOL!  But I was mildly impressed to see you quoting Marie Antoinette - I take it you do know who she was?

Mr. Toad!
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You emphasize my point, Beetle. Thanks.
What point? I didn't notice a point. ;) Please clarify!

I thought Nashwan had you on the ropes on Pongo's thread. :D

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« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2002, 10:55:25 AM »
Again, I feel certain you'll find the already established new thread.

No reason to disturb Pongo's any farther. My reply to Nashwan is in the new thread. But I'm not suprised you fail to notice a point, nor am I surprised you think Nashwan has anyone on the ropes.

But I look forward to seeing your happy prose in the "new" thread.

Toodle-pip.
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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!