Author Topic: Here's a fun site for Biblical literalists (well, kinda) (Read 1128 times)

Karnak · « **on:** December 08, 2002, 01:21:17 AM »

Read and explain if you're a Biblical literalist.

Read and laugh if you're rational.

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/noahs_ark.html

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2002, 02:04:26 AM »

Beautiful!

Of course you know that part of the Bible is purely metaphorical and not to be taken literally except when it suits the bible thumpers...

Did Noah take any White, Black, Asian, Native American or Native Australian people? How about all the 8 billion breeds of dog? Or are we to think they evolved after the flood!

However the big all powerful diety, who apperntly needs to defecate, still created the world some 4400 years ago in a few days - although the meaning of days might be different than ours...

Thanks for the link Karnak!

Hortlund come tell me how all this was actually done!

Leslie · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2002, 03:04:36 AM »

Unless you were there, there's no way of knowing how this was done. If you're saying it didn't happen, the burden of proof is on you. Logically, no, it couldn't happen. The same way flying saucers are not logical...yet, they could exist.

There are many things we don't know about in our Universe. Though there's no room for such speculation from a scientific point of view...we only know what we know, and can prove through experimentation, however, it is possible the laws of Physics as we know them, may not be the same in other places as it is on Earth.

Even the first Moon landing had some scientists worried. They didn't really know what the surface would be like, when man first stepped on the Moon...despite all the previous landings of probes, etc... And this is the end product of the most advanced science on our planet, going to the Moon and returning.

What about other dimensions? Do they exist? Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. Is this science fiction, or is it real? Do scientists think about these things, or do they discount them outright? Do scientists conduct "think tanks" with these subjects, or just make fun of these ideas?

Les

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2002, 03:41:25 AM »

It appears that we do have some common ground, GRUNHERZ.

(Actually we have more than this, but I'm just not very vocal about those subjects)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2002, 05:29:29 AM »

I am all over the place on "the issues". Including this religion thing, for example I am really pissed at all the left wing attempts to remove references to christianity from anything and everthing and then some more even though I think it's all bunk. But on the other side I dont think "creationism" has any right to be anywhere near a public school science class. But I do think school vouchers are a good idea and that parents should have the choice to use their appropriated public funds to send their kids to private, including private religious, schools that might teach this stuff.

I'm also not too upset with the religious "science" people as they always must come to the "Its God and he is all powerfull" because they cannot support any of their "science" absurdities with real life physical reproducable evidence - like lets say a viable blueprit for a fully functional Noah's Ark. But I do think their views on this are stupid...

In the end its just a religion fairy tale, no different than any tribal animal myth, pagan rain god, or the latest mystic and allthogher genuinely human, perfectly understandable for most people to varying extents and quite positive if not taken too seriously and extremely.

Recently my father has found God again and he definetly seems more upbeat and positive- more so than usual as he is normally one hell of a can do guy so thats certainly positive.

My personal view of religion is just that, personal and individual! I'm sick of people who do the religion thing in groups then feel the need to whack the heads off differerent similar groups. Of course this is the most depressing thing about the Jew, Christian, Moslem fights as they all openly worship the same diddlying god of ancient desert dwelling goatherders and they even share the same creation story and many things..

Actually I think we prolly agree on a bunch of things Karnak but our disagreements are much more fun, so why donncha come a bit closer so I can whack your head off..

Kieran · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2002, 07:32:49 AM »

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differerent similar groups

This is called an "oxymoron". Not quite sure I am clear what you mean, though.

mrfish · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2002, 02:06:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
If you're saying it didn't happen, the burden of proof is on you.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2002, 02:54:47 PM »

Yep Kieran!

Different as in different religions, similar as in both religiously devoted and both thinking they are doing gods good work on earth..

Karnak · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2002, 05:16:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
If you're saying it didn't happen, the burden of proof is on you.

That is a common logical fallacy employed by laymen.

When making fantastic claims that are demonstrably impossible the claimant has the burden of providing fantastic evidence that it is correct.

In the case of the flood myth, it is demonstrably impossible in many, many ways and yet there has been no fantastic evidence provided by the claimants.

GRUNHERZ,

It sounds like we have a pretty similar view on religion.

Innominate · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2002, 06:07:26 PM »

Religion is a set of moral codes combined with assorted fairy tales of what will happen if you ignore said codes, while promising some sort of heaven for following them.

If a God does exist, we're all screwed anyways since he'd have to be an incompetent power hungry sadist.

festus · « **Reply #10 on:** December 08, 2002, 06:39:11 PM »

Well, I'm not a theologian nor would I consider my self an expert on the Bible. I can't refute the arguements of the author, and I don't presume to "convert" anyone. That is God and God alones priviledge.

The author states, "In order to accept Noah's Ark as fact, you must believe in God first. Without believe in God, it is just laughable." I agree, and perhaps the author would receive my reply as a "cop-out." But first, faith must be present. I believe that faith is a gift from God. A gift that all can receive. Not by my preaching though. That is a mistake the many make in an attempt to "convert" others.

God is a merciful God. I believe any babies that did drown did so by God's permissive will. These children were sinners (original sin). They may not have entered hell, they most likely entered limbo with their ancestors awaiting the Messiah. Yet I dare not make presumtious claims on the judgment of any persons soul.

All I can say is that I believe the story of Noah's ark, because I believe in the inspired Word of God.

Kieran · « **Reply #11 on:** December 08, 2002, 06:46:42 PM »

Amen, Festus.

mrfish · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2002, 07:29:02 PM »

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Originally posted by festus
These children were sinners (original sin). They may not have entered hell, they most likely entered limbo with their ancestors awaiting the Messiah.

i don't remember limbo being mentioned in the bible- where is that part again?

Kieran · « **Reply #13 on:** December 08, 2002, 07:57:52 PM »

The Bible discusses the dead sleeping until called to rise again, at the second coming of the Messiah. If he wants to use the word "limbo" to describe the state before being called to judgement, that's not inaccurate.

Innominate · « **Reply #14 on:** December 08, 2002, 08:48:02 PM »

I believe that a giant purple goat came from space, and populated the world with giant cockroaches. The cockroaches were bad so the goat made humans which were born from the cockroach eggs, and then ate the cockroaches.

Well it's as plausable as a worldwide flood and noah's ark anyways.

I'm sorry but, no matter what invisible man in the sky you pray to, taking any religious story as fact is just plain silly. There are plenty of hard facts showing otherwise. Those who believe in adam and eve or noahs ark are in the same class as the flat earth society.

Ignoring the rest of religion which for the sake of argument we can say is correct, the history of the world is known, and is inarguable. If the world DID go according to the bible, and the rest is there to "trick us", it changes nothing since the world would have been created in a state that was essentially a snapshot of what happened after x billions of years.

There is nothing worse than blind faith. Think for yourself, draw your own conclusions, don't ever accept what you're told unless you can verify it yourself.

Then again, people are stupid, and people are weak, and religion helps with both problems, so any arguing is pointless. (One of the things that really pisses off many athiests I think, is that so many of these people would argue that red and blue are the same color if the bible said so)