Author Topic: Media Overlooks Hate Crime (Read 910 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2002, 12:39:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1
MT that is total BS! There is NO group out there that needs more protection than others!!

All that is out there is whinny bellybutton so called minorities who won't accept who they are and that no matter what they say NO one owes them anything!

Really?

ROFL

Hortlund · « **Reply #16 on:** December 10, 2002, 12:44:22 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB

Apart from the obvious fact that he murdered someone I think this line goes to show he had issues. It wasn't a hate crime.

Uh, so it cant be a hate crime if the bad guy "has issues"?

I mean face it, if you are able to murder anyone you "have issues", period.

All you liberals seem to have problems with this one, just pretend that the bad guy was a white supremacist and the victim a gay black person...still no hate crime?

Wotan · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2002, 01:07:42 PM »

Did he target her specifically because she was a Christian or woman?

Or because she was a nagging nosey squeak?

Doesnt seem like much of a hate crime to me....

SOB · « **Reply #18 on:** December 10, 2002, 01:09:24 PM »

First of all, stop assuming. I'm not a liberal. Second of all, the facts given in the article show that it was not a hate crime. He didn't kill her because she was a christian...she could have been an athiest and the result would have been the same. The fact that he has issues was another explanation offered by me as to why he did it.

"I mean face it, if you are able to murder anyone you "have issues", period."

No toejam...
"Apart from the obvious fact that he murdered someone"
It's called reading for comprehension, you may want to look into it.

SOB

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** December 10, 2002, 01:27:05 PM »

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Originally posted by mrfish
hate crime....crime is crime- all crimes are hate crimes, the whole concept of 'hate crime' is stupid.

it is amusing though, that this is the best example they could dig up- it doesn't really enhance their case and is kinda embarrasing really. y'all couldn't find something clearer than this?

If you limit the statement to violent crimes, I might tend to agree. A mugging or a carjacking or a burglary aren't hate crimes. If there is an emotion it's indifference.

Arfann · « **Reply #20 on:** December 10, 2002, 01:35:34 PM »

"Hey, fellas, let's all get drunk and go beat up some homophobes!!" Hmmm. Just doesn't have the right ring to it, eh?

mrfish · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2002, 01:38:14 PM »

well said sandman- i could have stated that more carefully for sure

i think there are groups that come under fire more than others but if our laws don't work for them too then change that. you can hate whomever you choose but you have to do it within the law and our general laws should protect against all crimes - especially those violent crimes against person.

laws keep trying to seperate us, no one is going to honestly act like we are all equals if some groups get hand held and others don't- whether they 'need' it or not.

we have to have faith in the system to do it's job i say- fix it if it's broken but no new laws, that's just a liberal way of keeping people thinking they need them to get by.

ra · « **Reply #22 on:** December 10, 2002, 01:38:26 PM »

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"Hey, fellas, let's all get drunk and go beat up some homophobes!!" Hmmm. Just doesn't have the right ring to it, eh?

Getting drunk and going out to beat up somebody is a crime. Next issue.

Kieran · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2002, 01:57:42 PM »

SOB-

heh, I bet you don't say "cupcake" in the workplace, at least, not in the presence of blacks.

No, it was a crime (the original thread topic, sorry to hijack back), nothing more.

Edit: Gotta put the pre-emptive "unless the blacks you say it to are your close personal friends". NAACP lives for lawsuits resulting from racial slurs in the workplace.

Eagler · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2002, 02:18:11 PM »

so if there are "hate" crimes, stands to reason there must be "love" crimes too....

midnight Target · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2002, 02:19:11 PM »

I fired a black guy for using the word "cupcake" at our workplace. Racial slurs don't belong here.

Hortlund · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2002, 02:20:02 PM »

I thought it was outlawed to fire black people in the US?

Sandman · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2002, 02:24:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
I thought it was outlawed to fire black people in the US?

It's not illegal. It's just very difficult.

midnight Target · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2002, 02:25:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's not illegal. It's just very difficult.

Not hard at all. Just gotta have a good reason, unlike 30 years ago.

SOB · « **Reply #29 on:** December 10, 2002, 02:36:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
SOB-

heh, I bet you don't say "cupcake" in the workplace, at least, not in the presence of blacks.

No, it was a crime (the original thread topic, sorry to hijack back), nothing more.

Edit: Gotta put the pre-emptive "unless the blacks you say it to are your close personal friends". NAACP lives for lawsuits resulting from racial slurs in the workplace.

Heh, actually I have used that word in the workplace. Worked with a very cool older black lady at my old job. Used to trade some of the most offensive language back and forth with her...probably would have made the HR lady cry had she ever heard us. Of course, it was all in good fun, and you're right, I sure as heck wouldn't shout it out in a room full of black people I didn't know!

SOB