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« on: December 10, 2002, 01:18:56 PM »
At lunch yesterday a client and I were chatting about his African operations.  He was discussing the possibility of expanding into another African country which has now calmed down after many years of civil war.  I asked him about whether he would feel safe there..and he shrugged and said "As safe as anywhere else in Africa."  He then explained how crime is different in Africa as opposed to the US or the UK.  He said that in western countries, when someone puts a gun to your head you have a level of comfort that the guy "probably" won't kill you if you do as he/she says and hand over the money.  In Africa you cannot rely on this assumption...they simply don't care if they pull the trigger or not.  

One of the other guys at the table made a comment that there are some very good car security features now that might help prevent a hold-up...apparently the criminals over there ambush cars more often than anything else...generally as you are leaving home.  (The logic on this is that you would least expect it near the comfort of your house.)  The features he was talking about were the ones designed to prevent a car-jacker from getting into the car....locks etc.

The guy from Africa then said, "The kind of security features you are talking about, short of bullet-proof glass on the windows, is the kind of security system that gets you killed.  If you don't do what they say immediately they will open fire!  Hell, I still have a bullet in my leg."

I turned to him with a look of shock on my face...and he nodded.  Three guys with automatic weapons attempted to rob the guy as he was on his way to work with two friends.  He was in the back-seat.  One of the two friends took too long stopping or something and all three gunmen opened fire.  His two friends died in a hail of bullets...the doctors counted 8 chest hits on one of them.  One bullet hit my client in the leg after passing through the front seat and is apparently still there, embedded in the muscle...the doctors won't remove it as they are concerned about damaging the muscle and causing permanent damage.     I asked if he was worried about lead poisonoing..he just shrugged.  

Amazing.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2002, 01:41:52 PM »
South Africa, I suppose?  Their crime rate makes the US look like Sweden.  :)

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2002, 01:45:02 PM »
I agree, parts of Africa are totally out of control.

  I'm most familure with Zimbabwe. A buddy of mine, Tim Bradshaw, is a close friend of wildlife artist Craig Bone, who lives there. My buddy sells his paintings, and he has spents months there as Bone's guest.

The government actually incites the blacks to take over white ranches and farms by force. You don't go anywhere without being armed. Its a lawless place. Bone has a lot of stories about the stuff that goes on there...

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2002, 01:51:32 PM »
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South Africa, I suppose?  Their crime rate makes the US look like Sweden.  :)

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Nope...another one, but I won't say which as it could identify my client.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2002, 01:59:22 PM »
Curval: ...how crime is different in Africa as opposed to the US or the UK.  He said that in western countries, when someone puts a gun to your head you have a level of comfort that the guy "probably" won't kill you if you do as he/she says and hand over the money.  In Africa you cannot rely on this assumption...they simply don't care if they pull the trigger or not.

  I would like to disagree with such assesment and point out that some places in US are very similar to what he describes when it comes to sensless killing and other things, but I cannot yet think of a way to express it that would not sound racist to some of the audience...

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2002, 02:00:05 PM »
A friend of mine is the adventure type if you know what I mean. He was a paratrooper in the military, he dives as often as he can, not the normal dives though, noo as deep as possible, and preferably around sharks, now lately he has started with adventure racing, you know the kind you see on Discovery channel...echo challenge or whatever the most famous one is called.

Anyway, I met this guy in lawschool, and a couple of years ago while we were still in school he started with various adventure travels. Two years ago he skied from Canada to the north pole (that is kinda cool in more ways than one), and his girlfriend flew out there to meet him (russian helicopter) and they  got engaged there on the north pool (now that is really cool).

ANYWAY, back in lawschool, one summer he and a friend of his decided to go backpacking in Africa. He decided to take a break from the studies, and he and his friend decided to walk from Cape Town up to Kenya (yeah, he isnt really right in the head my friend :) )  

So they get all the gear they need for the walk, they fly down to Cape Town and they get a room in a really first class hotel. Not some cheapo place in the slums, no, a really first class hotel in a really classy area. Anyway, my friend and his friend have been making the final preparations for the trip. The plan is to take the bus to the town limit and start walking from there. They have been checking the closest bus stop to see when the morning bus departs, and they are walking back to the hotel (the really nice one in the really classy neighbourhood) when from an alley 10-15 locals come running, and quicly surround my friend and his friend.

They dont say much, one of them gestures towards the watches and mobile phones etc. Now this is happening around 1800 local time, in the middle of the street in a "good" neighbourhood. When my friend and his friend has dropped their wallets and stuff, one of the bandits starts to look around, then he pulls out this machete, and a couple of other bandits pull out some knives. My friend and his friend panics, and decides to make a dash for it, so they both run for their lifes, and manages to get away from the bandits.

They make it to the hotel which is like 50 meters away. They call the cops, and some south african detective comes to the hotel. He tells them how lucky they are to be alive, that there had been something like 15 tourists killed in the last month etc etc. My friend tells him about their plans to walk across South Africa to Kenya and the detective looks at him as if he was mongolid. He said something like, "uh, you guys would be dead within a couple of hours." So my friend and his friend decided to skip walking across South Africa, and decided to start at the border to Botswana instead.

Anyway, he has lots of great stories from that trip.

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2002, 02:10:23 PM »
miko... I got no problem with the truth... our "african amercian" gun crime is over 40% of all gun crime in America.   Makes no difference what the cause is... I certainly don't want to be disarmed in the face of it.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2002, 02:14:21 PM »
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 I would like to disagree with such assesment and point out that some places in US are very similar to what he describes when it comes to sensless killing and other things, but I cannot yet think of a way to express it that would not sound racist to some of the audience...
 miko


Note the quotes around "probably"....I did so because i knew someone would bring up your point.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2002, 02:15:57 PM »
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miko... I got no problem with the truth... our "african amercian" gun crime is over 40% of all gun crime in America.   Makes no difference what the cause is... I certainly don't want to be disarmed in the face of it.
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Careful what you call truth.

Factor in economics and race makes no difference.

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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2002, 02:18:31 PM »
It took 16 minutes before the PC police was in place.

Now let the bashings begin.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2002, 02:21:44 PM »
LOL, if you call my post "PC Police" then you are too sensitive my friend. Having guilty thoughts about Halle Barry or something?

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2002, 02:28:08 PM »
At this time I would like to state that it wasn't my intention to start a BBS race-war, or comment on gun-control (or lack thereof) in the US.  I was just relating an interesting conversation.

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2002, 02:29:57 PM »
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LOL, if you call my post "PC Police" then you are too sensitive my friend. Having guilty thoughts about Halle Barry or something?

The only one who should be feeling guilty about Halle Barry is Halle Barry. That acceptance speech was the worst pathetic  drivle I have ever seen.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2002, 02:45:22 PM »
MT... I have no problem with the truth.   I can find no figures for gun crime based on income.   I can find the figures based on race.  I would be interested in seeing a breakdown based on income if you have one.   Point is... you have to call a spade a spade (so to speak).   To ignore the data is to complicate the problem and slow the solution.  

In any case.... I am not black nor low income... I don't see why my gun rights should be infringed because of the actions of either small group.    

Tell ya what.... I will continue to work on keeping my/our gun rights and you can work on getting poor black people to behave themselves and then everyone will be relatively happy.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2002, 02:45:57 PM »
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The only one who should be feeling guilty about Halle Barry is Halle Barry. That acceptance speech was the worst pathetic  drivle I have ever seen.


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I agree.... stupid, but beautiful.