Author Topic: Kill stealers (Read 1242 times)

brady · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2002, 09:36:26 AM »

I had several kills stolen from me in the MA lately more than ushual, i went balastic on local voice several times, I was a real potty mouth man, realy ticked me off, things like one winged burning planes tumbling to the ground and some aswipe comes in and shoots till he explodes kinda stuff, man i was hot.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2002, 10:56:49 AM »

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Next time don't be so slow in shooting something down. Just because someone beat you to a kill isn't kill stealing.

this sounds like totally BS

btw it's really worse when someone going after ur target after u brought him by fight down to the deck.

Than some dweeb comes from higher and steals ur kill, and u die at that moment coz some nme fighter comes on ur 6. The dweeb should have gone after the new target but because of his lack of skill he chosen for the easy one.

When some other friendly fighter coz after ur target u expect not trouble on ur 6, how wrong could i think.

When i see some going after one i would not disturb the fight unless he is in trouble.

My lack off gunnery skill does not give u the right to dweeb around and steal my kills.

Get ur own fight and kills!!

Steve · « **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2002, 11:37:41 AM »

Although the 190 clearly outguns the 109, the 190 would easily see GP on the 109's 6, so why would he bother with the HO in the first place? Why risk crippling your bird in the HO just to get one kill? This may not be killstealing in the literal sense but it is both a selfish and foolish act. With the p38 bang on the 109's 6, there is no need to HO. Nose under, extend a smidge, and explore your options. That 109 is either too fast to reverse quickly, or slow enough that the p38 can kill him if he(109) tries to reverse on the 190 after it(190) noses under to avoid the HO. I understand the 109's tail was shot off but the 190 made a bad decision, even under the assumption that the 109 was in one piece.

TheCage · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2002, 12:06:19 PM »

Put yourself in the 190's shoes.....you've taken off, and spot a 109 diving in on you. Your logical move it to head into your assailant. Regardless whether he saw the tail come off or not, he was being shot at, and I can tell you if it were me I would be returning fire. From my experiences there have been times I was RTB'ing with damage and spotted a group of 3 or 4 guys chasing down one lone target. That target spots me smoking and turns towards me. Now what are you to do? Let the guy come in and finish you off or turn into him?

In my case I turn into the attacker and immediately get a bunch of six calls. When I kill the guy I get called a kill stealer, and for what? For trying to not to become another notch on some guys belt, because 3 or 4 other guys weren't able to kill the guy? I don't think so. On the other hand you never hear me complain when I am dead on someone's six and someone else comes diving in and kills the guy before I do.

A dead opponent is just that, one less guy to worry about and pushing the reset back a bit further. Personally I don't play for scores, but rather to enjoy myself. Who gets the kill doesn't matter, because it's only a game. I guess if I were out to win the money HTC put up for the best fliers I might be upset, but then again I think that cash prize thing is what is slowly tearing this community apart too. There has been more complaints since the inception of the cash prize then I have ever seen prior to it. Maybe HTC should rethink that idea before more harm is done. Well there you have it so let the flaming begin. But I must warn you I really don't care personally what you think about this reply as it is my opinion and not necessarily your own, or that of HTC

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Innominate · « **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2002, 12:10:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Why risk crippling your bird in the HO just to get one kill? This may not be killstealing in the literal sense but it is both a selfish and foolish act.

You just described the general attitude of MA players, and answered your own question.

They want kills. They don't care about acm, or thier team, or anyone in the area. They just want to get a kill before they get shot down, and doing so is a good sortie.

Steve · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2002, 12:16:06 PM »

Look at the 190.. he hasn't just rotated...so he has a bit of alt, enough to nose under. I agree that that you head into the enemy, but I can't fathom any reason in these circumstances to go for the HO. As the 190, you have good odds of "winning" the HO, but the fast 109 with guns in the nose is just as likely to make a mess of your plane...almost certainly damage if not destroy. By accepting the HO, the 190 has made at least his second bad choice of this flight....I mean why up a 190 with a bad guy this close to the base in the first place?

moot · « **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2002, 12:38:32 PM »

strange idea that a 190 outguns 109 invariably.

Falstaff · « **Reply #22 on:** December 12, 2002, 12:53:13 PM »

I'm very, very new to the game, so please forgive me if my question has already been asked (I must say that the 5 character search keyword minimum makes it difficult to check old discussions.)

My question -- shouldn't the removal of an entire wing or tail assembly be enough to award the kill now, instead of waiting for the inevitable crash of the enemy aircraft?

Furious · « **Reply #23 on:** December 12, 2002, 01:02:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Falstaff
[B....My question -- shouldn't the removal of an entire wing or tail assembly be enough to award the kill now, instead of waiting for the inevitable crash of the enemy aircraft? [/B]

It usually is, but as long as the pilot is still in the plane it is possible to hit and kill him. When this happens the plane explodes and the person who killed the pilot gets kill.

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Falstaff · « **Reply #24 on:** December 12, 2002, 01:13:07 PM »

I was not very clear in my question, I'm afraid. I meant that the system should award the kill as soon as the wing or tail comes off. Then there would be no kill to steal -- it's already been awarded.

moot · « **Reply #25 on:** December 12, 2002, 01:32:02 PM »

it gives who made the most damage the kill, not like killing a structure or dropping the last goon into the map room where the last damage gets the -destroyed message.

Falstaff · « **Reply #26 on:** December 12, 2002, 01:49:48 PM »

Now I get it -- thanks! In my (increasingly complex and probably not worth it) scheme, the kill determination time would be when the wing came or tail came off. At that point, the damage would be examined to see who got the kill and... oh, never mind.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #27 on:** December 12, 2002, 01:53:15 PM »

I dont mind if another aircraft engages, but I do get angry when I knock of peices of a con's wing - clearly sending him to his watery grave - and other countrymen will spray the dead airplane with everything they've got to get the kill.

GPreddy · « **Reply #28 on:** December 12, 2002, 03:08:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Rude
C'mon GP.....all of these years in this biz, I wouldn't expect you to ask for a tissue.

Read the original post again and you will see Im pointing out a trend in the ma. I can tell you that after all these years as you put it I try not to ho after takeoff. I think Steve said it best. That was damn stupid and the 190 deserved the killshooter he got. Yes he sprayed so much that even though I had pulled off he hit me and died. About thirty minutes after I posted that the same guy repeated the act and died again. Some people never learn.

Just before we reset akdessert I had knocked the tail and both wings off of an a20. I watched a friendly typhoon dive after the fuselage and fire all the way down until he compressed and hit the water. I dont think he hit the enemy at all. Is it the contest or are the dweebs more frequent?

PvtPyls · « **Reply #29 on:** December 12, 2002, 04:33:40 PM »

i would love to know who was in the 190? Is it a new guy, a vet........was it me?