Author Topic: F4U-1C PERKED! (Read 2305 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #60 on:** May 02, 2001, 06:34:00 AM »

AH left out a Zero. It was meant to be 70 perk points.

wtg AH, consider perking the top three killers of the previous tour.

Eagler

Edbert MOL · « **Reply #61 on:** May 02, 2001, 08:10:00 AM »

The bottom line effect of this is that the CV will be a little bit less of an offensive weapon.

If the goal is to see more early war aircraft in the MA:
Perhaps all 10-1-43 through 6-30-44 should cost 5-10 perks, 7-1-44 through 2-1-45 planes should cost 10-15 perks, and all 3-1-45+ planes should cost 15-20 perks.

If the goal is to eliminate the abundance of uber-rides:
Perhaps any plane that sustains a 4-1 K-D ratio over the course of a couple of months gets perked.

I have to wonder though about the disparity of the cost between those that are now perked. The Ta152 is not a very good ride below 20,000 (where 95%+ of MA action is) but it costs sooo much more than the Chog. Don't even think about a Tempest!

Pongo · « **Reply #62 on:** May 02, 2001, 08:57:00 AM »

The perk system is officialy turned "on"
up till now it has been in testing mode.
Do people love this plane.. and are willing to spend perk points to fly it (but not very many) or can they only enjoy the game on the back of a ballistic anomoly.
What is the ENY value of the thing?

Loyalist · « **Reply #63 on:** May 02, 2001, 09:12:00 AM »

I don't get HTC's decision here..

A Chog is never a threat so long as you can see them. Why would they perk the Chog and not the N1k?

No..I don't fly Chogs, I fly Spits and Tiffies.

Nifty · « **Reply #64 on:** May 02, 2001, 09:23:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Edbert MOL:
The bottom line effect of this is that the CV will be a little bit less of an offensive weapon.

Yup, this is correct. You can still up in a DHog and take yourself 8 rockets and 2 eggs from a CV. Last time I checked, that could cause some damage to a field!

You just can't pepper the hangars with Hispanos anymore. Oh well, go land on the CV and reload your ordinance with the DHog.

Also, CVs won't be as important in this map. Every base on the "fronts" are like 30 mi away from each other! GVs are gonna play a bigger role this tour, at least on the "fronts." Of course, I'm still a newbie, so I don't know what I'm talking about! tho I'm a paying newbie now, so yer stuck with my sorry arse for another month!

Graywolf · « **Reply #65 on:** May 02, 2001, 09:55:00 AM »

This is excellent news. Any plane that is making up 20% of the kills in a tour neeeds looking into. I'm glad they had the guts to do this in spite of all the wining that will ensue.

FWIW I've hardly been playing Aces High recently, it was getting a bit old and boring shooting the same 3 or 4 plane types down all the time. I'll be back in the Main Arena tonight to see if this has improved things. Hopefully it will have =)

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Torgo · « **Reply #66 on:** May 02, 2001, 10:20:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak:
It seems that after 1 day of Tour 16 no unit has twice as many kills as the unit below it

HUH?!?!!?!?! WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!

It's been an article of faith among the anti-CHog-perkers that EVERY SINGLE CHog sortie would turn into a Niki sortie if the CHog was perked.

Don't tell me....that.....the sorties are being SPREAD among several different planes! Perish the thought!

Torgo · « **Reply #67 on:** May 02, 2001, 10:24:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Loyalist:
I don't get HTC's decision here..

A Chog is never a threat so long as you can see them. Why would they perk the Chog and not the N1k?

No..I don't fly Chogs, I fly Spits and Tiffies.

I don't get how many people don't get perking or the reasons for it at all :-)

Perking isn't based on some esoteric anecdotal "opinion" of what plane is tougher to kill. That has NOTHING to do with it. (Well, it does to a degree when new planes are added..it was so obvious that the Tempest would take over the arena if unperked it was added to the game perked)

It's based on hard, cold, numbers.

CHogs had twice the kills of Nikis, and a FAR better kill/death ratio (even stripping away all ground vehicle kills.)

Despite the insistence of so many people about the incredible uberness of the Niki (which I've never quite understood), it simply doesn't do very well in the arena.

Your personal opinion (or the conglomerate opinion) about which plane you PERSONALLY find harder to kill or to evade simply doesn't matter. The numbers say otherwise.

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whels1 · « **Reply #68 on:** May 02, 2001, 10:35:00 AM »

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Originally posted by R4M:
one.

Pissed?...sorry, get a Dhog and learn some ACM, for a change.

P.S.Thunder I LOVE that pic.

thats funny coming from a vulch queen, never saw u with a kill streak unless it was a vulch field in progress, in ur CHOG. ROFLMAO

whels

whels1 · « **Reply #69 on:** May 02, 2001, 10:38:00 AM »

nope all saw last night were niki and spits, i think they should be perked, im tried of fight all niki and spits every flight waaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

whels

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Originally posted by Torgo:
HUH?!?!!?!?! WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!

It's been an article of faith among the anti-CHog-perkers that EVERY SINGLE CHog sortie would turn into a Niki sortie if the CHog was perked.

Don't tell me....that.....the sorties are being SPREAD among several different planes! Perish the thought!

AG Sachsenberg · « **Reply #70 on:** May 02, 2001, 10:47:00 AM »

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Originally posted by whels1:
nope all saw last night were niki and spits, i think they should be perked, im tried of fight all niki and spits every flight waaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

whels

Weren't you in a George yesterday? I had respect for you Whels until you spouted off last night. I made a joke about how many rounds went by my 38 "from 4 other planes mind you" and you turned into a Grade A dickhead.

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #71 on:** May 02, 2001, 01:23:00 PM »

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Stats after 1st day of Tour 16:

The N1K2 has 414 kills and has been killed 390 times.

The Spitfire Mk IX has 337 kills and has been killed 336 times.

The Ostwind has 271 kills and has been killed 189 times.

The F4U-1C has 248 kills and has been killed 142 times.

The La-7 has 234 kills and has been killed 215 times.

The Typhoon IB has 223 kills and has been killed 167 times.

The P-51D has 197 kills and has been killed 206 times.

The Bf 109G-10 has 167 kills and has been killed 142 times.

The F4U-1D has 149 kills and has been killed 174 times.

The Fw 190D-9 has 142 kills and has been killed 99 times

Wow.. since we are gonna post stats that really mean nothing since the commity hasn't really stabilized since the change... how about stats since those stats were posted:

P51D.....70:67
109G-10..68:63
F4u-1D...41:63
Dora.....42:16
La-7.....65:56
Typhoon..102:57

CHog.....97:32

Spit 9...200:141
N1K2.....225:201

Are you really sure no plane is going to double another in usage? How about two of them doing it?

AKDejaVu

BigJim · « **Reply #72 on:** May 02, 2001, 02:07:00 PM »

heheh HTC giveth and HTC taketh away

can't wait for the next round

Steven · « **Reply #73 on:** May 02, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »

I first signed on and played Aces High on Friday, just a few days back. I have about 2.5 months experience with Air Warrior but that's it. I'm a newbie to the online dogfighting genre and very much a newbie to Aces High. In those three days that I first started with AH (Fri-Sun), I was playing a *LOT*. In my view I did not see an overabundane of F4U1Cs in the air and I was never more afraid of them than anything else. In fact, I enjoyed seeing them because I respect the real aircraft. I think I might've even pinged a few and maybe shot down one or two. It does strike me as odd that there is a system in place that effectively makes the higher performing aircraft less accessible to the less successful players. I undersand the effort to try to make for a more diverse aircraft environment in the sky though. But honestly, in those three days I never saw an overwhelming majority of hogs shooting at me.

I think I've flown the C-Hog only once and I've never touched the N1K yet and don't plan to because it doesn't float my boat. I'm a crappy player flying the mediocre P-51B the majority of the time and I'm having a blast! I'm getting blasted too. <g> If I can slip into a furball from a pretty good position I do alright...but 1v1 I'm a gonner and definitely when found at a position of disadvantage (like when raising my wheels on takeoff.)

One thing that struck me was if the sun actually moves and makes "days", one possibility would be to start adding aircraft in order or introduction to the war after so many sun revolutions. So that early in the month of the map we are all stuck with what would later be considered obsolescent planes.

The only suggestion I have is for more early-war aircraft. I'd like to see Wildcats, early-zeros, P40s, Hurricanes, Me109E and even a Mosquito 'cause that one is just plain cool!

-Steven

Tac · « **Reply #74 on:** May 02, 2001, 06:51:00 PM »

"A Chog is never a threat so long as you can see them"

And when they see you.... spray.. d1.2 PING! BEWM.

"It does strike me as odd that there is a system in place that effectively makes the higher performing aircraft less accessible to the less successful players"

In short, higher performing craft in the hands of less succesfull players would make the arena be one-sided. Everyone would just fly those planes and nothing else to have a chance. Also, higher "performing" (or overmodelled or ufo FM'd, name it what you wish) do not promote any improvement to flying styles... and the newbie does not learn anything BUT how to get a kill on that specific plane(S). Ex: Chog was spray and pray for 1 ping kill hit. N1k is point and click, that plane rarely runs out of E on the most violent manouvers (12g+). Hop a pilot used to this stuff into a normal plane (aka, DHog, 205 (nearest n1k equivalent IMO) ) and you will see just how much those newbies learned flying those planes.