Anyone dreaming about their 2003 system?

[Staga]

Can't help with that one yet but I'm trying to find some info. That company sends their stuff to the Germany pretty often so I would guess there could be a company selling/delivering those parts to the customers.
If you can't find one I can send parts you're needing from here.

radiators in Belgium(?), also complete watercooling systems (110€): http://www.digitalcentury.be/modding.htm

Something in France: http://www.openjl.fr/

and lots of links: http://www.hwlabs.com/products/blackice.htm

[Booky]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
I have a couple of different directions I'd like to go in for dream systems:

Server/Router:

1) A micro box similar to this micro pc from Jadetec.

or

2) A wireless intel router

or

3) A dual Xeon 2800 system with a Supermicro Motherboard.

For fun:

A P4-3.08 with a Radeon 9700pro.

I've kept it to processors that actually exist.

AKDejaVu

LoL, you are soooo decieved. I work where they make those 3.06 chips and I still wont buy one. I do admit that they have a better performance clock for clock than the earlier P4 chips, but the Hyperthreading isn't really all that great yet. Either way, your system looks like it will fly as well.

As for the ATI card, well I prolly would get one but I still hven't got the courage to buy another ATI card. I had a radeon and it sucked.


Booky

[AKDejaVu]

LOL Booky!  Is that what this thread was about?  AMD vs Intel?

I find it funny that you are making fun of the fastest chip on the market, while wishing for one that may or may not ever exist.

BTW... I work where the first 3.06 came out... not some hack high-volume fab.  And I know just how much people that make the chips actually know about them.

AKDejaVu

[Skuzzy]

I wouldn't recommend you get the 9700Pro Booky.

[eagl]

After I found that win2k Pro couldn't be used as a full-featured router (port forwarding is grayed-out in win2k pro), I briefly considered putting linux on that computer (P3-700).

Then I remembered that XX (Dos Equis, aka Dan Drumm) had his home linux box rooted a couple of years ago when he was teaching networking at Cisco, due to a reasonably small oversight.  If HE can make a mistake, I sure as heck can't keep a linux router secure on a cable hookup.  I get portscanned over 30 times a day, more often when new vulnerabilities are exposed, so I can't afford to use a router that needs securing because I don't have time to keep it up to date.

I then ran to best buy and bought a D-Link 604 for $29.  Works like a champ, daisy-chains through my 8 port 10/100 switch, does port forwarding, domain/ip/url blocking, everything except make toast and tie my shoes in the morning, even though the 604 is last-year's technology.  I imagine the newer stuff is even better.  I also figure that the little router uses less power than a dedicated computer running 24 hrs a day, so I could potentially get that $29 back within a year, just in reduced electrical demand.

[cobra427]

AMD Duron 1.0ghz
224ram
32meg S3 KM133 ProSavage
24x10x40cdrw


......oh wait thats what i have now .....guess im stuck with this

[Booky]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
LOL Booky!  Is that what this thread was about?  AMD vs Intel?

I find it funny that you are making fun of the fastest chip on the market, while wishing for one that may or may not ever exist.

BTW... I work where the first 3.06 came out... not some hack high-volume fab.  And I know just how much people that make the chips actually know about them.

AKDejaVu

Guess I did come off that way didn't I:p

Wasn't supposed to be that way. I personally think Intel platforms are way more stable, or at least less finicky (spelling).

I just can't see how they rate there chips. I will laugh when the 2GHz Clawhammer kills the 3.06 P4. And don't forget that the P4 doesn't have much room left to go.

This is by no means a AMD VS INTEL message. I build AMD, I recommend Intel. AMD used to be way cheaper but not so much anymore.

My only complaint about Intel is their deception of the General public on speed. But I can't really blame them, this is a business they run.


Booky

[Booky]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
I wouldn't recommend you get the 9700Pro Booky.

Why is this? You just said earlier that you have this card, didn't you?

Or are you saying this because you know from my previous post that I am not building for 6 months, and we both know how much can change in 6 months:D

Booky

[eagl]

Edit to my post about routers - one thing to remember is that every additional part you add to your lan is one more thing to break.  My switch died tonight and of course it was the last thing I checked after troubleshooting everything else in the house...

So instead of having all computers connecting to the switch and the router connecting through the switch uplink port, everything is now temporarily going through the router.  This makes me even less likely to use a real computer as a router because a real computer has lots of components to break.  Reliability is a nice thing to have and I don't think I need the flexibility that a real linux router would give me.

YMMV.  And yes booky, I think that is what skuzzy was getting at.  Buy a 9700 now before you upgrade the rest of your system, and in 6 months you'll be drooling over the FX or ATI's next greatest thing.  A GF2 ought to be plenty powerful for AH and most other games for the next few months.  I only went from a GF2 PRO to a GF4-4200 because I got it for $89.  The image quality isn't dramatically better and the framerates in AH are only incrementally smoother, because AH doesn't demand much more video card horsepower than a GF2 anyhow.

[TIGS]

Dream Machine for 2003? I got it here, baby! Yeah, I know... it's not even 2003 yet, but I built my system in October, thought it deserves to be classified as a Dream Machine before the year comes by because it IS my dream machine.

System Config in an Aspire TurboServer Case (Aluminum color, similar to Antec w/ Side window):

Gigabyte GA-7VAXP
ThermalTake Volcano 9 CoolMOD H-S/Fan on AMD Athlon 2000+ 1.67 GHz CPU
512 MB 333 MHz PC2700 ValueSelect Corsair CAS 2.5 RAM (2 sticks, 256 ea)
PNY Tech GF4 Ti 4200 64 MB using AGP 4x (mobo can do 8x)
Maxtor 40 GB 7200 RPM ATA133 Hard Drive running Win XP Home Ed.
TDK VeloCD 48x16/24x48 CD-Burner
56x CD-ROM drive
3 Antec Blue LED Fans for System fans
Some cheap-prettythang modem I bought at Wal-Mart that I haven't used yet. :-D (have DSL here.. hehe)

Thought I'd add an image of it just for display purposes (that and showoff.. :-P)  Took this about 10 minutes ago. (again.. showoff.)

[TIGS]

Haven't finished building it though - planning to replace the CPU and the Video Card before February 2003, if I have enough money for both of them.

Dream CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+ with 333 MHz FSB

Dream VidCard: GeForce FX 5800 or 5800 Ultra ($399 or $499)

I would need to get some more info on the 5800 or 5800 Ultra, see what makes the Ultra any different from 5800, other than the "Ultra" in the name.

If anyone in here has any more information about it (GF FX), please don't hesitate to post in here for that I'll check up on this thread from time to time to see what systems others would crave for.

TIGS

[Skuzzy]

Hmmm,...(I am going to get cooked for this)...

I am very disappointed in the NV30.  Here is why:

1)  It is not DX9 compliant.  It lacks displacement mapping, which is a requirement for DX9.
2)  The marketing hype about the large shaders is just that.  NVidia has stated, "While we have large shader support, we do not recommend using large shaders, as they will make games unplayable".
3)  They tout the number of color bits through the pipeline, but state, "If you make use of this, it will slow the board down dramatically".
4)  Overall performance is only slightly faster than the 9700Pro today which really tosses the NV30 into a poor price/performance postition against the 9700Pro.

If you look past the marketing hype, the chip is really not that great.


Now Booky...here is what I meant by my statement.

The timeframe you have stated puts you in the position of selecting the NV30 based NVidia card or an ATI R350 based card.  The R350 (production in March 03) is a souped up version (0.13u) of the current R300 (the 9700Pro).  The price of the 9700Pro will drop like a rock and the R350 based card will come in under the NVidia NV30 cards, but be quite a bit faster than the NVidia cards.

One other thing.  I have witnessed that people who are pre-disposed to NVidia are usually never happy with anything ATI produces.  I cannot explain this, as it really makes no sense to me.
Every little problem ATI has gets blown way out of proportion, and yet when NVidia screws up, no one says a thing.  Really odd, even bizarre.

So when you listed the FX card and then followed up complaining about the Radeon, I figured you just might fit in that category (I could be wrong).  I have a Radeon (in one of my older systems) and have never had a problem with it.

Both NVidia and ATI make mistakes.  No video card company has ever been perfect and they both have problems today in thier drivers.
Personally, I really dislike the trend of releasing video drivers once a month.  For some odd reason, the NVidia consumer really thinks this is a good thing and we are now stuck with that mentality.  I really feel for software guys that work under that kind of pressure.

So, overall, if someone appears to be pre-disposed to either ATI or NVidia, I would tell them not to change.  In the long run they seem to be happier about it.

[Hajo]

I can see why some would be unhappy with ATI.  Awhile back...a long while back I bought a Rage Pro Fury 128 card.  Top of the line at that time.  I installed as directed, and LOL nada,  black screen....reboot multi colored screen.  Uninstalled, reinstallled NVidia card.....emailed and called tech support.  Tried many times to make the ATI card work....best response I got from ATI was reflash the BIOS.   Took the ATI card back and have stayed with NVidia ever since.  I am on Nvidias mailing list....when new products come out I am one of the first to be offered the product.  I was one of the first to have a Ti4600 to use.  So I will continue to naturally use NVidia.  NVidias support much better IMHO.

Hajo

[beet1e]

Not dreaming of 2003. My 2001 system (created especially for WB3) is quite adequate for AH - frame rate of 60-80, lowest with damaged airfield in view.

What are the AMD "multi-processors", and what advantages do they offer?

[Hajo]

Booky!

I recently installed new mobo and cpu

ASUSA7V333
Via Chipsets
256 Micron DDR 2100...could run 2700
AthlonXP2400

AthlonXP running at 2.003 according to diagnostics.  AMDs' cpus cores oft time run faster then what is advertised.
AthlonXP1600 runs 1.51GHz advertised 1.43Ghz
AthlonXP2400 advertised 1.93Ghz but runs 2.003Ghz