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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2002, 04:04:14 PM »
The Brewster made up a considerable percentage of Finnish fighters available during the war.  The FM-2 is without a doubt a superior fighter to the Brewster flown by the Finns, but is still slower than most of the fighters it will be flying against (except for the P-40B and maybe the Hurri-IIC).  The Finns did remarkably well with the Brewster; I can't imagine this set up without it represented here.  Also, note that it will only be available at historically Finish airfields, which will limit it's impact on the arena.

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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2002, 05:07:54 PM »
Thanks for the info Sabre.

The CT has been invaded by the MA. PLease give the map to the MA... :D

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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2002, 01:57:50 AM »
Hello boys and thanks to beeing nice Russian targets you were on friday evening!:D

We Finns enjoyed the evening very much and we are coming in this evening (after 18:00 GMT) to CT arena with much more pilots. Our main Finns aces like WMaker, Vuokko and Mipoikel were on friday evening celebrating "Little XMas" (read "drunken with friends")!

I think I was the most killed pilot yesterday, but it was still plenty of fun try to kill sometimes Russe, too!:D

Thank you Brady and Sabre taking the FinRus map to CT! Let's fight more in the evening!

Couple of Finnish words:

Terve! = Hello!
Hauska nahda sinua! = Nice to see you!
Moi! = Goodbye!
Kurvataistelu = Furball
Mersu = Messerschmitt Bf 109
Junnu = Junkers 88
Bylly Waltteri = BW = Brewster (Budd Walther :-)
Ryssa = Russian
Tsuhna = Finns in Russian language
Sakemanni = German

Ps. I slept 2 hours and now I am in my job! :o
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2002, 03:38:22 AM »
Hähähähääää Kanttori!

Hyydy siihen! :p

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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2002, 03:57:54 AM »
Hey kanttori. I really like the map but I cant help but complain about the F4F- (FM-2). It really has no place in here. The FM-2 is a much better airplane than the Brewster. Even the so called better, faster Brewster the Fins had. The Brewster was nothing but a pile of junk.

I don't know what model the Fins had but the F2A was a complete dog. The Curtiss prop had a very bad habbit of  going into low pitch and become uncontrollable, if you rolled it more than twice or tried to stay upside down, you would loose oil pressure because it was not pressurized. The landing gear hydraulics were a disaster and their was even two "D" rings under the instrument panel to pull to release the gear pins if the gear did not come down, which it did not many times. If that didn't work, you had to cut the cables with cable cutters that were kept in the airplanes. As a matter of fact at one training base, it was standard practice for the fire crew to actually follow the Brewster down the runway, not just sit and watch, due to the extremely high possibility the damn thing would ball up for some reason. No not just because there were students in them. Not only that but the Brewster built F4U Corsairs also had similar problems! Those are just a few of the funny examples but the airplane was a dog and is why they were replaced very fast. They were reduced to trainers (ironic) but faded fast.

If you want to model the Brewster Buffalo for early war, that's fine, model it correctly but it was junk PERIOD and my argument is that the FM-2 has no business being a sub for it. The FM-2 was too damn good. Removing the FM-2 will not hurt or help MY gameplay, it just doesn't belong in there.

Now the guys in Finland who know about the history of thier Buffalo may tell a much different story....lets hear them!

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2002, 04:13:31 AM »
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Hey kanttori. I really like the map but I cant help but complain about the F4F- (FM-2). It really has no place in here. The FM-2 is a much better airplane than the Brewster. Even the so called better, faster Brewster the Fins had. The Brewster was nothing but a pile of junk.
 


Read this thread until go on, please.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52235

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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2002, 04:25:48 AM »
Thanks joppex, Thats what I am looking for, more info! That is a good post and I am reading it now.

"I" am not saying that it is junk. I should have reworded it. I should have said..." All I read about is it being junk"


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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2002, 11:55:01 AM »
Joppex

Thats some good reading and I had no idea the Finns had such a good success rate with it. I guess compared to what they were fighting it against, it was the Zero of Finland!!!

But compared to the Zero itself for the PTO, I guess thats were it met its match. As far as it being a piece of junk, well it looks as if may have been a victom of the "Stereo Type". Pilots didnt like it so they gave it a bad name?

It appears That Boyington was refering to the F2A-3 that was "beefed up" which made it the "dog". Also, I see were only 21 saw combat with the USMC. These had to be the ones Boyington was refering as being the "dogs".

It looks as if the Fin's F2A-1 was the good one.....still reading up on them........if the Finns had been fighting the Zero in the replacement F2A-2, well...hmmmm who knows.

The British ordered 170 F2A-2s for searvice in the far east but proved no match for the Japaneese attackers and soon withdrawn from front line service.

Lookslike the Finns did find a jewel in the Buffalo against the faster, less manueverable Yaks and La's of comparison.
Hats off to those Aces!
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2002, 06:35:46 PM »
Great job on the Terrain!  It is truely incredible!  I have been ejoying myself in there!

Impressive!  Salute to all who created it!!

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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2002, 01:03:07 PM »
65 players in the CT at the moment. Hop in. :)

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