Author Topic: Which mobo would you recomend????? (Read 1321 times)

Tumor · « **Reply #15 on:** December 19, 2002, 02:31:52 PM »

lol... ok. Well I'll stand my ground. Intel will provide what coop is looking for. Intel over AMD is worth every penny IMHO.

Tumor

Chairboy · « **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2002, 02:35:18 PM »

Tumor, you ever own an Athlon XP?

Tumor · « **Reply #17 on:** December 19, 2002, 02:59:55 PM »

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Tumor, you ever own an Athlon XP?

Nope... aint gonna either. I know too many people who do.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 20, 2002, 04:01:10 AM »

Tumor sorry but you don't have a faintest clue what you're talking about. No offense.

Tumor · « **Reply #19 on:** December 20, 2002, 07:19:06 AM »

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Tumor sorry but you don't have a faintest clue what you're talking about. No offense.

Gosh thanks mrsid2. I guess your a rocket scientist. I'll be sure and consult you the next time I go to put a system together. No offense.

Having watched this forum and many other hardware boards etc... I have reservations about building AMD systems for folks. I see too many reported glitches, errors etc and I'd rather be building systems than doing service runs. Just my opinion.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 20, 2002, 08:31:52 AM »

Actually Tumor, now that I look at the prices I have to say you do have a point.

After recent pricecuts on lower-end Intel processors they're pretty competitive in price if you stick to speed levels under 2.5Ghz (which is highest that AMD goes anyway.)

So I have to take back some of my words, I can't see a reason any longer (with current pricing) why not to buy Intel. Just don't spend it all on CPU, the displaycard is one if not most important factor when looking at game performance.

Tumor · « **Reply #21 on:** December 20, 2002, 09:01:46 AM »

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.....the displaycard is one if not most important factor when looking at game performance.

AMD will still pump out about 10-15% more FPS AH. Thing is..... there's a certain mark well below max system FPS that our human eye's can't distinguish. I've heard it's anywhere from 24 to 36 (had an Imagery specialist tell me it was lower than that). For me, at least what I "think" my eye's interpret, it's about what the AH counter displays as around 40ish... I can't see any difference at all beyond that area. So, if I'm seeing things clearly in dense graphics at 16x12x32 I really don't care if the FPS is 45 or 120. The margin of differnce between any two high(er) end systems is well within whats required for comfort.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 20, 2002, 10:30:11 AM »

Tumor in theory that may be so, but in real life game situations there will always be times when your screen gets filled with polygons.. And those times are usually also the ones where you dont need a freezing graphics.. So if you get a steady 40fps, a couple fast turns, view changes, 10 enemies around you and tracers flying.. You'r fps drops to 15 just for a second.. And it's enough often to make you lose the edge.

The fluctuations in AH fps mean that you have to have 80ish minimum to be able to comfortably fight in any given situation. Same goes with many other games, especially fps(first person shooter) games gain from high fps.

SunKing · « **Reply #23 on:** December 20, 2002, 10:43:07 AM »

I just installed my new motherboard 2 nights ago. Setup went flawless with Winxp. After I updated bios my video card is working at 8x . I suggest this board to anyone looking for a stable and reliable board at decent price. $79.00

Blank · « **Reply #24 on:** December 20, 2002, 09:40:43 PM »

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there's a certain mark well below max system FPS that our human eye's can't distinguish

well I think for example that 'Disneys snow white and the severn dwarfs' has a FPS of around 16-20 (dont quote me) but really you need 30 FPS to be smooth to the eye) so they say.

but this is for 2d animation, if you spin 180 degrees in 1 sec you'll only see 30 frames (at FPS 30) which means a change of 6 degrees each frame.
So obviously the more FPS the better to keep these exteme movements silky smooth and allow you to track fast moving targets.

(also I think the movement between frame is exagerated the lager the image, so if you project AH onto a wall at 4 feet x 6 feet you will notice frame rate more than if you played with the same frame rate on a 10 inch monitor)

Extra note: playing at 60htz refresh rate will give you a headache try for at last 75htz if you can.

coop2 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 21, 2002, 05:43:07 PM »

Oh man guys this turned into a heated discussion quick!!Currently I have a AMD XP 1600 running off of an epox 8kha+ mobo. The reason I am upgrading is b/c the girlfrined wants her own computer and I figured that I mind as well build an even better machine. Anyways, I did end up going the intel route but I took a different approach. I went to http://www.ocsystem.com and I decided to buy this http://www.ocsystem.com/valovinpen4d.html . However I upgraded to the Asus P4Pe mobo. Have ay of you guys heard of this place before? I have heard some pretty scary things but I have also heard a lot of good things as well.

This brings me to my next point. Do you guys think that a geforce 4 mx will be good enough to really take advantage of the new speed? At $80 the price is right.

thanks for the help and time guys

coop

NUTTZ · « **Reply #26 on:** December 21, 2002, 06:06:45 PM »

NO, I had a Gforce MX400, I hated it. Hold out for something better.

NUTTZ

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Oh man guys this turned into a heated discussion quick!!Currently I have a AMD XP 1600 running off of an epox 8kha+ mobo. The reason I am upgrading is b/c the girlfrined wants her own computer and I figured that I mind as well build an even better machine. Anyways, I did end up going the intel route but I took a different approach. I went to http://www.ocsystem.com and I decided to buy this http://www.ocsystem.com/valovinpen4d.html . However I upgraded to the Asus P4Pe mobo. Have ay of you guys heard of this place before? I have heard some pretty scary things but I have also heard a lot of good things as well.

This brings me to my next point. Do you guys think that a geforce 4 mx will be good enough to really take advantage of the new speed? At $80 the price is right.

thanks for the help and time guys

coop

Tumor · « **Reply #27 on:** December 21, 2002, 06:13:10 PM »

Agree with Nuttz. The words "Video Card" and the acronym "MX" together are never really a "good" thing. Don't expect dazzling performance by any stretch.

coop2 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 21, 2002, 06:21:55 PM »

So you guys think I should spend a little more and get a Ti?

mrsid2 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 22, 2002, 03:40:42 AM »

If you want speed with less money, you have to get an ATI card..

Radeon 9500 pro gives a very high performance for a low cost.

Whatever you do, do NOT buy Geforce4 MX420. I personally wouldn't buy any of the MX line cards, theyre basically just souped up geforce2's. In MX420's case it's not even souped up, it performs as bad as the Geforce2MX SDR!!!!

Remember that the display card is THE most important factor with your gaming performance. It's the wrong place to save. A Pentium IV 3Ghz system will give you a whopping 15-20 fps in most modern games if it's equipped with MX420. A radeon 9xxx on the other hand will blow your fps through the roof with the same machine.

One thing I forgot when discussing with Tumor: Intel CPU's have now built in a system called cassandra. This hardware system enables microsoft to kill your computer with a security update (if you don't have a legal copy of the OS), it enables MS to stop you from running ANY programs that are not licenced with MS, it enables MS to stop you from playing any MP3's or AVI's which are not paid for etc. funny stuff.

Basically the system will not let you boot up your computer if a wrong checksum is found with OS. It's the ultimate Big Brother of computers..

If the Digital Millenium Act goes through, none of the Intel owners really own their computers anymore.. Because your computer will be controlled totally by a third party, Microsoft and RIAA.

AMD has reported not to add this function to any of it's CPU's. A big reason why I'm going to stick to AMD regardless of the Intel price.