"Wilding" youths cleared of rape convictions

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Pongo
You seem to value process over justice. I guess we disagree on that.

You seem to think that there is such a thing as justice in the legal system. You are wrong.

[DOODY]

Originally posted by Pongo
You seem to value process over justice. I guess we disagree on that.

Without due process.. period.

Perhaps  we should look back on chatue D'if as an example of "justice" as you see it,  You can punish people just because you can beat a confession out of them.

perhaps you should re-evaluate your morality.

[miko2d]

Pongo: You seem to value process over justice. I guess we disagree on that.

 Not at all. I want justice for all - including the police officers who's careers are being ruined as we speak. And NYC population who's police department is getting demoralised and dismantled.

 There must be a trial of someone to resolve the issue - of those five or of the policemen who "fabricated" the confessions. I have no problem if some policemen are found gulty and thrown out - then we can be sure the police dept. is clean and let them get on with their job.

 miko

[Hortlund]

This is rich...so now the cops beat the confessions out of the rapists too huh?

[miko2d]

DOODY:  You can punish people just because you can beat a confession out of them.

 You can beat any confessions you want - if the lawyer was not present - and a parent/guardian in case of a minor, like this case - they will not be admitted as evidence.
 
 miko

[Pongo]

Lost track of your point now miko.
So you want to put the Cops on trial for coercing the accused now? Is that what your saying?

[miko2d]

My point is that a judge does not determine guilt or innocence - only a jury does.

 Some people here in New York do not want to be content with the fact that the verdict was overturned. They treat it as determination of innocence and proof or a crime commited by some other people - and a pretext for a witchhunt.

 I would surely want a trial for anyone seving as a policeman and being accused of coercing the admition. I do not want a corrupted police.

 Alternatively, if those five were retried now and found guilty again, it would clear the policemen as well.

 miko

[Pongo]

But judges determine guilt all the time. If the person elects trial by judge instead of Jury.