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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2002, 09:03:40 AM »
Gee beetle, so how are those stringent gun laws working out?

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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2002, 09:03:47 AM »
well on the toward Clockwork Orange

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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2002, 09:41:28 AM »
Beetle's right. The beach at Nice is what we'd call a gravel bar here. ;)

Those logs are up in the attic Beetle. But I was flying L10's out of JFK then. If it was a REALLY smooth flight, it was me. If it wasn't, it was someone else. ;)
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2002, 12:23:17 PM »
Mr. Toad,   I do believe it was an L-1011. It definitely had three engines. Maybe it was a ju52 - lol.  Now you must get up in that attic to retrieve your 1997 logs. Think how cool it would be if it turned out I'd been on a Toad flight.  :cool:

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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2002, 03:05:57 PM »
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The easy answer to this problem is to pass stricter gun laws.  If guns weren't so easily available to criminals there would be less gun crime.  It's good that more police are getting guns though.  Only the police and the army should be armed.

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I've got to ask...Are you serious here? Great Britain already has some of the strictest anti-gun laws around.  The criminals referred to are carrying "illegal" guns (they ARE criminals after all, and by definition are acting outside the laws).  Exactly what changes to the existing gun laws would you suggest to implement your "easy answer?"  Washington D.C in the USA has some of the stictest gun laws in the US...and the highest violent crime rate in the country.  One can argue that stricter gun laws does not equate automatically (or even usually) to lower violent crime.

Laws are a deterent only to the law-abiding.  Now if you want to talk about harsher punishment for gun law violations, then you might have something worth discussing.  Even then, it's all about convincing criminals that the cost of getting caught is greater than the potential benefit of violating those gun laws.  Short of automatic death penalty (or maybe life-imprisonment) for using a gun to commit a crime, you'll always fail to convince the criminals...none of them ever expect to get caught anyway.

The gun-crime-law enforcement equation has a basic flaw that tends to favor the criminals.  The criminals know law abiding citizens have no guns, and that the police do.  Thus they have naught to fear from their potential victims if they themselves are armed.  They simply learn how to avoid the police, either by working quickly or simply going to areas where police response times favor a successful criminal act and escape.

In regards to your last statement, every successful genocide in the last century has been preceded by disarming the population and leaving the police and military with the sole monopoly on violence.  Those genocides were carried out either with the tacit approval of those state guardians, or worse, carried about by the very police and military that should have protected the victims.
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2002, 04:53:49 PM »
Sabe, Ra was yanking Beetles chain.
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2002, 05:47:39 PM »
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Sabe, Ra was yanking Beetles chain.
LOL  -the pro-gun bananas are tripping all over eachother. :)

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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2002, 05:55:27 PM »
:D <---my expression while I wank.  :)

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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2002, 12:09:13 AM »
:confused:   The thing I don't get is people don't understand that police are very rarely on scene in time to protect the general public.  They get called AFTER the first shots are fired, after the home invasion ect...  It is up to us to protect ourselves and our loved ones.  I get so pissed when I see these so called experts telling the public to just do what ever the bad men tell them to do and you "might" not get hurt.  roadkill!! This is my home, this is where I should feel safe, I have no where to go from here.  So the only way someone is going to get to my wife and son is by stepping over my dead body.   England has it's head so far up it's ass, Australia too.  You guys will find out just how big a mistake you made when you let the goverment take away your guns, maybe when you are being led off to labor camps or gas chambers.

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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2002, 12:35:49 AM »
ra - lol.

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You guys will find out just how big a mistake you made when you let the goverment take away your guns, maybe when you are being led off to labor camps or gas chambers.
ROFL!!! I didn't let the government take away my guns. Like the other 6,999 people in my (large) village, I've never had a gun. Never needed one. No plans to shoot anyone. :D We're so relaxed in Europe. Look at the happy people in the beach photo - not a gun in sight. :):p

Labor camps! lol. Gas chambers LOL!

Well, off to RAF Cosford now to meet a few Limey AHers.

Toodle-Pip!  :D

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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2002, 10:16:06 AM »
I'm glad you think this is funny.  I am a very relaxed person, and nothing is more relaxing than spending a week in the mountains, killing helpless animals. :D  

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