Author Topic: Microsoft bashing... (Read 623 times)

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #15 on:** November 08, 2002, 07:40:07 AM »

To an extent pepe...

But that's more along the lines of how Apple used to be. That was a true innovation limiting kind of standardization. One company doing it all.

Then there's the type of standardization that enables littlerally millions of companies to generate hardware and software that will be compatable.

Actually... despite standardization... a format where most companies manufacture hardware to meet certain guidelines... Most other OSs on the market still have problems when it comes to hardware support.

I dunno if PCs would be where they are today if the average user had to deal with OSs like LINUX.

AKDejaVu

Pepe · « **Reply #16 on:** November 08, 2002, 08:26:43 AM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu

... I dunno if PCs would be where they are today if the average user had to deal with OSs like LINUX.

AKDejaVu

I was thinking exactly about that.

Cheers,

Revvin · « **Reply #17 on:** November 09, 2002, 05:17:17 AM »

It's so easy to blame Microsoft for everything from technology being stiffled to the sun not rising in the morning. Sure they have their faults (quite a few) but Windows brought easy computing to the masses especially later versions from Win 98 onwards with plug and play and easier configuration. A lot of people don't like Win XP and I don't kno why when for me it's been the most stable MS OS so far outside of say their more business orientated OS NT4.

That being said a few days ago I download Red Hat Linux 8 from their web-site and installed it on my system alongside Win XP, I used to run Linux a few years ago and fancied seeing how far along it's come. Almost as user friendly, probably is just as user friendly if I could get out of the Windows frame of mind. Linux is starting to make inroads on the home market, slowly but perhaps one day MS will have a realistic rival but I suspect the day that comes Linux will be eaten in a lengthy lawsuit.

AKcurly · « **Reply #18 on:** November 13, 2002, 03:10:12 PM »

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I dunno if PCs would be where they are today if the average user had to deal with OSs like LINUX.

AKDejaVu [/B]

I've been struggling to stay out of this one. I am weak.

What do you know about the average user, DJ? Not much, I would guess. The average PC user cannot reliably install windows 98/nt/xp; the average PC user cannot configure his box to use a different ISP. The average user buys a box with windows (some flavor) installed. And it works, sort of - if you count nightly appearances of the blue screen of death as working.

The average user would be much better off buying a PC with Linux installed. At least he would be immune to the e-mail viruses and his system would work w/o crashing.

curly

p.s. screw you, vulcan.

p.p.s. The motorola 68k family has never been equaled by anything produced by intel.

p.p.p.s. Intel / MS won via advertising.

AKIron · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2002, 03:22:42 PM »

I feel your pain Vulcan, miss my Amiga too.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #20 on:** November 13, 2002, 03:49:16 PM »

Ah.. there you are curly... was wondering how long it would take for you to enter into this one.

The average user is not going to buy a system in peices and install an OS. That is simply a moot point. The average user is going to buy something pre-assembled.

So let's look at what should be a consideration for the average user:

1. Can he find the kind of software he needs?
2. Can he run the latest and greatest toys on it?
3. Can he hop right in and start playing?

LINUX does not suit the average users needs here Curly. Not even close. It has glaring issues with software availability and hardware compatability. Please don't try to deny this.

Apple offered everything above with one glaring exception... #2. That was eventually forced on them by the PC buisness and Microsoft.

Nobody else comes close to meeting the needs of the average user. Apple and Microsoft are it. Much of the versatility available in Apple these days can be attributed to Intel/Microsoft driving the need for it.

Curly... I think it is you that has lost touch.

AKDejaVu

Furious · « **Reply #21 on:** November 13, 2002, 04:14:53 PM »

Commodore could have owned the world. The Amiga technology was squandered. After all these years, I still don't get how they screwed that pooch.

F.

AKcurly · « **Reply #22 on:** November 13, 2002, 04:40:19 PM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Ah.. there you are curly... was wondering how long it would take for you to enter into this one.

The average user is not going to buy a system in peices and install an OS. That is simply a moot point. The average user is going to buy something pre-assembled.

So let's look at what should be a consideration for the average user:

1. Can he find the kind of software he needs?
2. Can he run the latest and greatest toys on it?
3. Can he hop right in and start playing?

LINUX does not suit the average users needs here Curly. Not even close. It has glaring issues with software availability and hardware compatability. Please don't try to deny this.

Apple offered everything above with one glaring exception... #2. That was eventually forced on them by the PC buisness and Microsoft.

Nobody else comes close to meeting the needs of the average user. Apple and Microsoft are it. Much of the versatility available in Apple these days can be attributed to Intel/Microsoft driving the need for it.

Curly... I think it is you that has lost touch.

AKDejaVu

Not likely that I've lost touch ... I'm in daily contact with "the vast unwashed public." In contrast, and I say this with no malice intended, I doubt that you've ever been in touch with the largest fraction of computer users.

The vast majority of computer users do two things: email, browse and play hearts via their browser at yahoo. The more adventuresome will do their checkbooks/recipes/etc.

The vast majority do not buy games. To be sure, there are a large number of folks who do, but they are a tiny fraction.

The vast majority buy their computer, buy an ISP connection and away they go. Linux comes installed on a number of pre-assembled boxes.

And for pete's sake, walmart sells computers with a version of linux installed. Further, there are no hardware issues with Linux, or at least no worse than windows.

Now, if you're trying to get your dual woofer, quad midrange speakers working, yeah, that's a stretch. But again, I'm talking about good old JQ Public. I'm not talking about gamer geeks.

And if you don't know that, then you, not me, are out of touch.

But, what do I know? I've only installed Linux literally hundreds of times across the entire spectrum of hardware.

curly

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #23 on:** November 13, 2002, 05:14:19 PM »

LOL Curly!

You are quite simply wrong on too many counts here.

I don't even know where to start....

Firstly... you may want to read the thread.

Then you may want to avoid "they don't need all that..." as an argument.

Then, you may want to avoid making assumptions of who I do and don't know and what they do or don't need out of a computer.

AOL only is great until you want to slap a viewcam on it because you're friends have one. Solitary is great unless you want to get a game that has more card games on it. What? You don't need to buy film anymore if you just by a digital camera?

Most people that buy a computer grow... they need a computer that does too. I've not met anyone that didn't fit into that category to some extent... even my grandfather.

AKDejaVu

Ripsnort · « **Reply #24 on:** November 14, 2002, 08:39:47 AM »

Bill Gates is one of the most generous people in the last 100 years, millions to Libraries around our country, and 100 million to the fight against AIDS:
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=1737765

AKcurly · « **Reply #25 on:** November 14, 2002, 12:09:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Bill Gates is one of the most generous people in the last 100 years, millions to Libraries around our country, and 100 million to the fight against AIDS:
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=1737765

Hi Rip,

You might want to read http://www.businessworldindia.com/cover1.htm
Rip.

Rip, it isn't generosity, it's just good business.

curly

Vulcan · « **Reply #26 on:** November 14, 2002, 03:02:59 PM »

It was deliberate. When they finally fell internal documents revealed that the CEO at the time had hated the Amiga side, and deliberately pushed through the toejam they knew would fail, like CDTV, and the Amiga 600.

Seriously though. The Amiga O/S was way ahead of its time, and if development had continued would piss all over MS O/S's. Multitasking, multithreading, underlying core very similar to Unix, the REXX scripting language, a huge amount of development in the public domain, all before Win 95 was released. If someone could have ported Workbench to Intel based systems they would have made a toejamload of money.

Unfortunately MS cannot be blamed for the death of the Amiga, that lies solely with Commodore

. But Workbench serves as a good benchmark to show how far behind MS were and still are in what could potentially be on everyones desktop today.

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Originally posted by Furious
Commodore could have owned the world. The Amiga technology was squandered. After all these years, I still don't get how they screwed that pooch.

F.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #27 on:** December 22, 2002, 01:19:18 PM »

In response to the thread Will this blow up my machine? DX9 out.

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I would not recommend doing it, as there is no software on the market that uses DX9, and you are introducing a potentially big problem into your system for no benefit.
The claim of performance gains occurs for DX9 based software.

Hehehehe.

I know what you're trying to say above (in this thread) skuzzy... I just wanted to point out that there's a side of you that also sees a bigger picture sometimes.

AKDejaVu

Skuzzy · « **Reply #28 on:** December 22, 2002, 02:12:32 PM »

Actually Deja,..what I said in the above about DX9 fits in here pretty well. I actually do see the big picture, more often than I may have displayed here.

Advancements in technology are well and good, but the source of those advancements needs to be weighed carefully with the history of the origins, when possible.

If I ever come off sounding a bit myopic,...take it for a grain of salt. I am really not myopic.

Adaptec would not have had the succes they did, had I not seen the bigger picture, and the reason those around me said it would not work, was due to them not seein the whole picture.