2 requests for Ki-61-I-KAI.

[BenDover]

tempest had a higher flap deployment speed aswell;)

[Kweassa]

I think it has to do more with his manor of posting. Notice no demands, no hidden agenda acusation, does his best to be repspectfull, and just states his request.

HiTech

 Now you're being purely selective, HT, because not all of the other posts in the past have been exactly "RAMish". Some of the posts were purely informative, others were laden with data and charts, some of the others were in the midst of very heated debate and discussion. In a word, a lot of others have approached with formal and good mannered attitude before it started turning ugly.

 I wouldn't say who took part in that ugliness more or less, but just that a lot of the posts started in the beginning with respect and simple requests like in Mitsu's post.

 It is understandable a few vocal types, those to be regularly seen on this boards have made things ugly in the past and it deeply upsets you, but however, there are in truth others who are just as responsible for the many clashes and antagonism spread amongst these boards.

 Thus I understand the "golden rule" existing in these boards, to stay away from the upsetting disturbances as much as possible, is be polite, be courteous, be open to suggestions and if you want to request something, prove that it is a just and logical one.

 ..and HT, now you're saying if someone's just polite he doesn't need anything to back up his claims and requests. With all due respect, Mitsu is making a demand just as any of us have in the past. He just stated it more politely and passively.

 In a sense, this thread is a ground breaker, because in the future we'll be seeing a lot of posts which starts off... "HT, I really love the Ta152H-1, but it seems the GM-1 boost is not installed. Can you check it please...?" or "HT, it seems the Hispano is way too powerful a gun.. could you check it please?"....  "HT, I'm a big fan of the P-51.. but the .50 trajectory seems just too flat and accurate. Shouldn't it be different..?".

 It would be interesting to see how the community responds to them, not asking for a single piece of data to back up his claims,  nobody intercepting the thread to comment on how wrong and ignorant the original poster is about the matter.

 I don't support the Bullshi* "anti-Axis conspiracy" or "bias towards certain planes", but in every society there are little biases and prejudices we treat others whom we are not personally affiliated with or close with. In the case of many internet forums people judge the posts and their posters according to how well they know him, not by how true his original post is... and I must comment that this, is one of those cases.

 Mitsu's a respected pilot, and his services to the community is always outstanding. He's polite, too. He deserves a big for everything he's done. However I don't see how all of that is relevant with people asking him for hard proof and data or not.
 
 It's an A/V forums post. He thinks something might not be right... but because he's respectful and polite nobody is compelled to ask for proof and data? Is this it? -> "Oh gee, he's polite and respectful..no rantings.. no tantrums..  I don't really feel like demanding to him to present hard evidence...."  

 It's like saying in a court session the juror's won't be too keen of expecting the lawyers to prove themselves if he is polite and charming.

[hitech]

Kwessa:

You said this and I responded at why I thought it was so.

I've seen many posts demanding correction, even with some good, controversial data, being attacked as a "whiner post" and yet, nobody seems to ask of you what in other cases is considered a must.

And to now be more specific where did mitsu demand anything.

And I very simply game my opinion why I thought that was so.

I Never said I would look into it, change it or just totaly ignore it, treat it any different than all the tie rates people put on this board.

Kwessa:

It is understandable a few vocal types, those to be regularly seen on this boards have made things ugly in the past and it deeply upsets you

You don't have a bloody clue what upsets me, because if you did you wouldn't be putting words in my mouth.

HiTech

[spiegel]

lol:D

[Toad]

Right there might be a glimpse of what upsets.  

The button! The button!

[Kweassa]

Then you must also realize my initial post was about requesting data to Mitsu, as I was curious why he thought so. (Which, strangely enough, nobody else seems to be curious of, or otherwise they might have asked why he thinks so. Are such curiousities about someone's opinion governed by their personal "politeness"? )

 The "editorial slant and spice" in it is merely a testament to how things were going about in this forum, where some newbie can ask, "request" something and get flamed within next 10 minutes for "not posting proof" or "not getting their facts straight". No implication whatsoever on my part that it sounded like whether you will look into it. You've in turn put words into my mouth.

 You have taken my post personally, and I am really really scared that you might think it was a sentiment towards the overall attitude of HTC or you towards such issues, which it is not. Nothing I have said is in accusation towards such things, which you seem to be accepting it as so, which also probably seems to you a "hidden agenda acusation".  (If it doesn't seem that way to you, that's good. I can let out a sigh of relief.)

 As much, I am merely stating my opinion that you are wrong in thinking that "politeness" is the reason behind no demands for proof. When someone states their opinions on A/V, they are in most cases required to show to the curious observers why one thinks so. I find Mitsu no exception, and as a matter of fact whether be polite or rude it should apply to everyone... and I am genuinely curious if people really don't find his opinions too curious, or just "taking his word for it" because its Mitsu.

 So if the "editorial slant" is in question, fine, cancel it out. I take it back. I'll rephrase it in one sentence:


 I am merely asking Mitsu, "why do you think so?"

[Toad]

Originally posted by Mitsu
I think Pyro has details of Ki-61-I-KAI data.
But want me to upload them?

[Zaphod]

Personally I kinda like the inclusion of a hidden agenda accusation, its always good for a laugh

Zaphod the Comedy Seeker

[Hristo]

silly thread

[Mitsu]

I'm sorry for my delay in replying to this thread.
I needed much more time to understand what you said.
My English is not good...sorry, and I'm very surprised that this thread became big.

First of all, The word "Request" which I said  was possibly inept.
Actually that was "My hope". Sorry for my poor English.

To return to the our subject, I posted this thread because I thought this is "Gameplay Issue".

I didn't say Aces High's Ki-61 FM is wrong. Additionally I don't require HTC to make Ki-61 FM like Spitfire or N1K2J. I think HTC modelled Ki-61 FM very well, because I often experience what real Ki-61 pilots experienced. However, it makes very poor Tony in Main Arena conversely. It can't climb and accelerate, can't fly fast and can't turn well because nose is heavy.

And also I noticed these points as I played Aces High.

1) P-40, P-51, and P-47 can deploy flaps around 400mph. Especially though P-40 had the same flaps as Ki-61's one. These planes can get advantage against bandits in high-speed turn.

2) P-51, P-47, and P-38...these heavy fighters can get strong "nose-up" effect by deploying flaps. This is great advantage in TnB. Actually when I'm flying in them, I often shoot down dogfighters by this ability. But Ki-61 doesn't have it.

If Ki-61 has these abilities, its basic performance wouldn't change, but it might be able to shoot down enemies more. Therefore those who loves Ki-61 may also increase. So I posted this thread.

Unfortunately, I don't know Ki-61's flap extension speed limit.
But I can show the detailed specifications. BTW Ki-61 is not the copy of Bf109.

I hope that everything my say is clearly understood.

Thank you.


P.S.
Hristo, you might feel my post is silly.
But I was serious when posting a thread.
Stop kidding me anymore.

I saw the following post when I checked "Bring the Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank" to Aces High" thread.

Originally posted by Hristo

HT, thanks for adding all those planes, I love to fly them often, but I hope you add 1 more.

1) plz add Ki-84 Hayate. seems Ki-84 is not modeled yet. check it plz.

Thanks.


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Hristo



now we get it for sure !

You look very ludicrous.

[BenDover]

hristo is a weirdo

[TheManx]

I can't see what's wrong with Mitsu stating a possible game imperfection without backup data. It could be something as simple as some incorrect code in the game engine, in which case the developers would know instantly by Mitsu's statement. This is the perfect place to go and do exactly what Mitsu pointed out.

I think the developers would tend to take a rather vague post like this from Mitsu more seriously than a tirade from someone like me because he has a history in the past of knowing a great deal of what he's talking about.

On that happy note, I have a request of my own. Hitech, could you add a tailgunner to my P38??? If Mitsu's going to be turning faster, I'm gonna need some defence.