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Offline miko2d

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« on: December 23, 2002, 03:03:01 PM »
NY City public bus system is in the red - worse than most other large cities despite of economy of scale and other beneficial factors. The $1.50 fare only covers about 43% of operating expences.

 Labor costs are the most significant contributor to those expences. NYC Transit bus drivers are paid at the maximum hourly rate of $22.89, which is to $47,789 with 40-hour week. But the average driver actually earns $54,277 a year—14 percent more than top scale because the transit system’s relatively high wages are compounded by costly and inefficient work rules.

 Bus operations tend to spread beyond a typical eight-hour work day—which makes bus drivers’ jobs particularly well suited to flexible and part-time work arrangements. But under New York City Transit’s contract with the Transport Workers’ Union, virtually all jobs in the system are full-time jobs. With many work shifts stretching beyond an eight-hour day, many employees routinely receive special added pay.  A driver with sufficient seniority to claim the most lucrative work assignments and pay differentials can earn nearly $87,000 a year.

 Fringe benefits—including vacation and sick leave, as well as health insurance and pension contributions—amount to 50 percent of wages for employees of NYCTA’s bus system.

 In private business in the same New York City, many professionals with masters degree (4-6 years of college) in occupations actually in demand - programmers, chemists, electrical engineers - are lucky to have that kind of salary - $60,000 - after a few years of employment. Of course most of them do not work 40-hour weeks either or have such lavish vacations or benefits.

 I can't believe that we would not find a lot of capable people without a college degree or even with it who would be able and willing to drive a bus for a lot less than $55,000 a year plus another $28,000 in benefits. Under union pressure, the dollar vans ($1.00 or $1.25) are forbidden to pick up passengers on reglar routes. When they were temporarily allowed to do so during last bus strike in Queens, passengers were very happy with the service.

 Of course our mayor and governor would rather hike taxes than put the bus routes for competitive bidding by private bus companies.

 Yes, New York is expencive city to live in - now we know why. The MTA is considering raising the fare to $2 or raising it to $1.75 and cutting services.
 Thank you, TWU.


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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2002, 03:09:54 PM »
$54k to drive a bus

wonder what the average NYPD & NYFD makes in comparison
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2002, 03:09:56 PM »
It's the management silly...  :rolleyes:

You can afford all these extravagances when the economy is good and revenues and profits are high, but the second the economy turns ugly and income is lower these high union demanded payroll costs will kill you.  Thats also why United Airlines went down first, they had the highest payrolls in the industry.

Oh well....

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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2002, 08:03:26 PM »
If you want sillyness, come to DK.

Not until a mecical doctor is 58 (on avergae) does he break even with a carpenter in terms of income after tax.

Had a discussion with a girlfriend. She said she wan't gonna get an education coz you don't need it and it'd hinder her from making money.

NYC is nada compared to socialist-capitalistic states.

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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2002, 07:19:04 AM »
you do have to admit that being able to handle on of those monsters in manhattan traffic is not unskilled labour.  on the real problems with the system, i'm sure, is that most of the drivers live in NJ & so little of that $$$ goes back into the NYC economy. if all the drivers were confinded to NYC it'd be zero-sum

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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2002, 07:24:59 AM »


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New York City Police Officer

Average Yearly Salary:
$34,970-$60,027, including holiday pay, uniform allowance and night shift differential. Starting pay is approximately $31,304.

Benefits:

A choice of paid medical and dental programs
20 Paid vacation days your first year
27 Paid vacation days after 5 years of service
Unlimited sick leave with full pay
Optional retirement at one half salary after 20 years of service
Excellent promotional opportunities
Annuity fund
Help officers buy homes
Overtime
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(IIRC, those dang cops and firemen have ...... UNIONS too!)

Yes, the best way would be to hold a "job fair" in Central Park. Allow anyone with a driver's license to bid on motorman or bus driver jobs. Start the bidding at minimum wage  only have the auctioneer work a "reverse bid" and see if you can get really desperate people with sick children or aged parents to undercut each other and take the job with no benefits. Let the free market work. Could work for the cops and firemen too. After all, these folks time is worth no more.. well, less actually, than minimum wage after all.

In fact, why aren't all people working for minimum wage and no benefits? It's a puzzle, isn't it.

Merry Christmas!

BTW, the first year salary for a motorman exceeds that of a first year major airline pilot by approximately $15K. :D  But then, all pilot jobs are "no skill/no experience required" occupations.
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2002, 08:15:28 AM »
You mean Jack Welch?  Then no, he made GE tons of money over the years and they agreed to give him an outlandish retirement package, these people plain stole the money.