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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2002, 01:05:13 PM »
Actually, more Poles were KIA than Americans in WWII.

The USA was very reluctantly dragged into the war. It took an attack on Pearl Harbour and a declaration of war from Germany before Roosevelt could shut the isolationists up.

Credit where credit is due though. The USA, through the ingenious Marshall plan helped both Europe and themselves - lots of machinery producing war things were converted into producing peace things - unfortunately, despite the huge market in Europe there was no money available. So Americans lent European nations money and got much of it back through selling equipment. Europe is very happy with the agreement, and the US economy actually benefits from it. Truly ingenious and one of the rare times in history where there's a somewhat symbiotic relationship between great nations.

But. What really turned the tide weren't Americans. The war on the western front was quite neglected by Germans.  At times 75% of their forces were fighting the Russians who (thanks to steel sent by the US) were giving the Germans a really hard time.

In terms of men killed and wounded, the US got off relatively lightly. They used their superior firepower (tanks, planes, men) to ensure few casualties where many European nations had to dig in, not having the resources of the US, and fight bitterly. Smart move, smart fighting. Poland is a good example of a hgard struggle with lots of casualties - it's not talked about very much, but they did out up quite a good fight against the superior Germans troops (in material and men).

Yep, I am grateful for the American intervention. If I had to make a complaint, it'd be that if it had been done sooner rather than later, millions of lives could be saved. OTOH I can understand the position of the isolationists. twenty years before thousands of young Americans had died fighting on foreign soil for what to Americans was a European matter.

You Americans gotta admit though; Europe has come a long way since WWII. We still have hot spots, but that is also the case in the Americas. If the EU gets a rapid reaction force, there'd be no need for Americans to police European matters. But powerhungry US politicians aren't liking the idea of giving up influence and they're insisting on NATO doing that job. I'd like to think that the average American however, would much rather see Europe fix its own problems.
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2002, 01:56:16 PM »
lol

Nowak forget to thaks America for Jalta pact.

After him worse nightmare  was possibilyty of rebel against allies by polish western forces;)

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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2002, 02:50:18 PM »
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I'd like to think that the average American however, would much rather see Europe fix its own problems.


AMEN!

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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2002, 02:57:06 PM »
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PROTOCOL OF PROCEEDINGS OF CRIMEA CONFERENCE

The Crimea Conference of the heads of the Governments of the United States of America, the United Kingdom, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which took place from Feb. 4 to 11, came to the following conclusions:

....VII. POLAND
The following declaration on Poland was agreed by the conference:

"A new situation has been created in Poland as a result of her complete liberation by the Red Army. This calls for the establishment of a Polish Provisional Government which can be more broadly based than was possible before the recent liberation of the western part of Poland. The Provisional Government which is now functioning in Poland should therefore be reorganized on a broader democratic basis with the inclusion of democratic leaders from Poland itself and from Poles abroad. This new Government should then be called the Polish Provisional Government of National Unity.

"M. Molotov, Mr. Harriman and Sir A. Clark Kerr are authorized as a commission to consult in the first instance in Moscow with members of the present Provisional Government and with other Polish democratic leaders from within Poland and from abroad, with a view to the reorganization of the present Government along the above lines. This Polish Provisional Government of National Unity shall be pledged to the holding of free and unfettered elections as soon as possible on the basis of universal suffrage and secret ballot. In these elections all democratic and anti-Nazi parties shall have the right to take part and to put forward candidates.

"When a Polish Provisional of Government National Unity has been properly formed in conformity with the above, the Government of the U.S.S.R., which now maintains diplomatic relations with the present Provisional Government of Poland, and the Government of the United Kingdom and the Government of the United States of America will establish diplomatic relations with the new Polish Provisional Government National Unity, and will exchange Ambassadors by whose reports the respective Governments will be kept informed about the situation in Poland.

"The three heads of Government consider that the eastern frontier of Poland should follow the Curzon Line with digressions from it in some regions of five to eight kilometers in favor of Poland. They recognize that Poland must receive substantial accessions in territory in the north and west. They feel that the opinion of the new Polish Provisional Government of National Unity should be sought in due course of the extent of these accessions and that the final delimitation of the western frontier of Poland should thereafter await the peace conference."


That Yalta conference?

Don'f forget to "thank" the other two particpants as well. Great Britain and the USSR were there as I recall.
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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2002, 08:22:22 PM »
Some guys will always find the dark cloud in the silver lining.

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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2002, 08:41:45 PM »
Well Funked the USA did cruelly intervene in the USSR central/eastern europe benovolance program... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2002, 10:28:42 PM »
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It bores you to hear the praise of someone who actually appreciates the sacrifices of those young men who gave their lives so we could live as we do now? That's pretty damn pathetic.


No Raub, whats pathetic is that you assumed the wrong thing.

what is even more pathetic is that I got you hook,line and sinker...and it only took one word :D

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2002, 10:39:10 PM »
Oh you're so clever. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2002, 10:47:34 PM »
have some fun in life, it won't hurt ya.

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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2002, 10:50:17 PM »
Yeah, Raub. Start a thread like.. oh.. like  "Bush is Hitler" or something.

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« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2002, 11:00:52 PM »
Toad,

My point exactly.

If your going to totally muck something up, do it right!!!

btw I don't think Bush is acting like Hitler, just heard some people in a bar who thought so, so I decided to ask the O club.  Just to clarify things, I did as I said, make a mock up of it.

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