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« Reply #90 on: January 02, 2003, 12:13:12 PM »
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Then the issue of guns in England is not nannying either.  You can own a gun, you just have to join a club and keep it there.  They are not BANNED.


That's like being allowed to have a car but only being allowed to drive it on a closed course and never bring it home... basically the posession of guns by private citizens in England is banned if they are chained to the bench at the target range like BB guns at a carnival shooting gallery.

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« Reply #91 on: January 02, 2003, 12:18:28 PM »
So the EPA study showed a 90% chance of being statistically correct instead of a 95% chance.

That sounds like something to hang your soot encrusted lungs on. Great piece of spin there JBA.

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« Reply #92 on: January 02, 2003, 12:32:05 PM »
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If we could shoot guns anywhere we wanted to sooner or later we'd have a bunch of dead Canadians lying about the island...you can't "swing a dead cat" on this island without hitting a Canadian.

LMAO!

um.. which Island ?

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« Reply #93 on: January 02, 2003, 12:33:17 PM »
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That's like being allowed to have a car but only being allowed to drive it on a closed course and never bring it home...  


....or sort of like having a cigarette and being told where and when to smoke it.  Correct.
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« Reply #94 on: January 02, 2003, 12:38:09 PM »
except they can take their ciggies home and smoke them there.

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« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2003, 12:38:11 PM »
Nope. I own an acre of land outside the city limits. If I have a critter problem (some skunks started making trouble last summer) I can whip out the rifle and end the problem. Heck, they don't even have to be in season! Clean the rifle, put it away in MY HOUSE. I can even celebrate the demise of said critter by lighting up a post-murdering spree cigarette right there on my property if I am so inclined.

Sorry Curval, that straw man is incredibly easy to torch.

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« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2003, 12:51:28 PM »
What of the poor unfortunate city dwellers that have critter problems.  The rules fit you nicely Kieran, but if you lived in Manhattan and were faced with a New York sewer rat infestation..well then , I guess you would have to call in an exterminator, right?  You are NOT ALLOWED to fire weapons within city limits.  

This is done for the protection of the city dwellers...aka nannying again....I don't think it is necessarily right...but there it is.

Fact is that guns are not TOTALLY BANNED in the UK which Toad claims to be the hair splitting factor in his defense of the recent nannying smoking laws of New York.  They aren't.
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« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2003, 12:58:33 PM »
in New York, one can't fire a gun in their own home ?
to stop an intruder say... ?

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« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2003, 01:19:44 PM »
Wrong again, Curval. I can own that gun in NYC, I just have to get a permit if I want to carry it around with me. There would be a city ordinance against firing it within city limits, but that is an ordinance voted upon by the populace of the city, not a Federal mandate.

Try again.

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« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2003, 01:40:09 PM »
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There would be a city ordinance against firing it within city limits


Nanny city ordinance then.  

I'm not wrong.  If you fired that weapon to rid yourself of critters in New York you would be charged..according to you even that is a fact.

But, it is irrelevant to what we are talking about anyway.  Toad claimed that the gun laws in Britain are nanny laws because they totally ban guns and that because the New York smoking laws still allow you to smoke those anti-smoking laws are NOT nanny laws.

I have just pointed out that guns are NOT totally banned in Britain.  They AREN'T...so by his own logic the British laws are not nanny laws.

Yes it is a question of semantics...but if you accuse someone or a nation of something and I think you are being hypocritical then I will say so....and I'm saying so.
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« Reply #100 on: January 02, 2003, 02:42:31 PM »
this is precious.... I know of no state that bans firearms or cigarettes.   You can't smoke in a lot of states in public buildings because you will contaminate other people with your pollution.   You can't fire guns in most crowded areas unless your life is at risk because of the danger of your bullet hitting an inocent bystander.

in limeyland they not only will end up banning cigs entirely but they already have banned firearms.   You may not posses one in your home.    In the U.S. you may smoke in your home and have a firearm in your home.   If you are attacked in your home in the U.S. you can simply shoot the perpetrator... If you are attacked in limeyland in your home you are free to run away screaming like a little girl.
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« Reply #101 on: January 02, 2003, 02:54:15 PM »
what CAN one do to defend themselves in Britain ?

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« Reply #102 on: January 02, 2003, 02:56:48 PM »
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You can't smoke in a lot of states in public buildings because you will contaminate other people with your pollution.


A bar is not a public building if I own it...as we have already determined.  If I own that bar and earn my living from people drinking disgusting liquid fermented from rotting grains (alcohol) and smoking disgusting plants while doing so then what right does any form of government have to take that away from me?  If you don't want to smoke while drinking you are free to run from the smoke like a little girley and go and find yourself a nice "Martini Bar" which caters to the sqeamish.  ;)

Also, as already mentioned, they tried this New York nanny law in Toronto (Canadians are obviously about 5-10 years ahead of the US in this regard) and it was the bar and restaurant owners who had it overturned.
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« Reply #103 on: January 02, 2003, 02:58:27 PM »
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what CAN one do to defend themselves in Britain ?


It is called a "Cricket Bat".  Nevermind what you see at a Cricket game...the real purpose is for dealing with intruders.
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« Reply #104 on: January 02, 2003, 03:05:04 PM »
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It is called a "Cricket Bat".  Nevermind what you see at a Cricket game...the real purpose is for dealing with intruders.


Curval, don't let the British Home Office hear that or they'll force you to keep your cricket bats at supervised cricket clubs where it's necessary to call for an appointment three days ahead of time before you can go there and use your bat. Of course technically that wouldn't be a ban tho.......;)