2 questions...

[BenDover]

are .50 cals modled correctly?? effective range, DAMAGE, and dispertion?? damage is something i want to highlight here, they seem to course almost as much damage as 20mms!! or do i just have bad luck??

and does having no tracers increase damage,range, etc??

[Maverick]

IMO the 50's are undermodeled and they certainly do not do anywhere nmear the amount of damage as the 20mm's. As Pyro said in a much earlier post the 20mm's are equivalent to four 50's in damage each. Particularly the hispano 20mm's.

 

[Pongo]

Who can say? They sure are not as powerful round for round as any 20mm. The ballistics seem to be right from what I recall of previos discussions. But the damage model is just conjecture on HT and Pyros part so our conjecture about their conjecture is obviosly not worth much.
But it makes a good game.

[GRUNHERZ]

Ahem...

The AH .50cals are severly undermodeled, especially those on bombers and vehicles.

[BenDover]

ok, i exaggerated a bit on the 20mm thing, but they do seem like that when i get a few hits on my tail, and the horizontil stab goes by by (or maybe its the planes i fly)

also, wot about my question about tracers

[Tac]

1) its not the bullet damage, but the a/c's damage model. In AH you get hit and the entire thing falls off. IMO, this is the 2nd biggest gripe I have with the game.

2) Normally it'd be 1 tracer per X amount of bullets (AH I think its ever 5?). So no tracers may mean you firing 1/5th more bullets. No tracers does nothing to increase damage or range. What it does is not show tracers (duh). It is very useful for 50 cal planes since they can fire at a fleeing con, and since no tracers are seen, the con stays nice and level until the lead wall hits. On the backside, your gunnery goes down a lot until you get used to it. You also lose the ability of making others turn so you can close in since they wont have the fear of tracers.

[Hobodog]

Well i guess i havent checked it in Ah but if you first think that by the 20mm=4*12.7mm you think that the P47 is messed cuz by that it would have the equivelent to less than or equal to 2 20mm(s). But you have to remember that the browning fire atleast 2wice as fast as the 20mm(s) so i take in the amount of time it takes to shoot 2 20mm shells you can shoot 4 .50s so the 47 would have the equivelent or less than 4 20mm(s) which i think is almost about right. But even so the .50s i think are undermodeled.

Thank you for hereing my fuzzy math out.....

[BenDover]

just thought of another advantage of having no tracers, you can spray and pray like mad and no one can tell

[Karnak]

Hobodog,

Um, I'm afraid to tell you its not nearly that much of an advantage over the 20s.

The .303 has a RoF of 20 r/sec.
The .50 cal has a RoF of about 12.5 r/sec, a muzzle velocity of 880 m/sec and 17,800 joules at the muzzle.
The 20mm Hispano MkII has a rate of fire of 10 r/sec, a muzzle velocity of 880 m/sec and 50,300 joules at the muzzle.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by BenDover:
just thought of another advantage of having no tracers, you can spray and pray like mad and no one can tell

Not to mention being able to shoot over, around, or through friendlies without them seeing that you're trying to steal their kill.  

[MANDOBLE]

BenDover, the comparison with 20mm guns depends a lot of the 20mm weapon.
I would say an AH MG151/20 is equivalent to 2 .50, an AH hispano to 4 and an AH shvak to 1.5 .50s (or even less).

[Zippatuh]

I believe there is also an energy element too.  If I dive 6K feet and cake off a quick burst doing about 400 + mph most of the time my target gets shredded pretty quickly with 50’s.  On the other hand if I’m co-alt on the same target it takes more hits.

Bombers come apart nicely with a good altitude advantage but can take a pretty generous hosing without the energy build up.

Zippatuh