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« Reply #210 on: October 20, 2004, 09:01:29 PM »
Thats why I love the Japanese...  (man do we need a shaking head emoticon)

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« Reply #211 on: October 20, 2004, 10:23:34 PM »
The Atomic bomb...why we used it..

We got tired of fighting the Second World War...

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« Reply #212 on: October 20, 2004, 10:31:26 PM »
WTG Otto

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« Reply #213 on: October 21, 2004, 06:25:11 AM »
I think Truman did the right thing for both the US and Japan,,,,,,however Truman will be second guessed forever.  
The US is not "lilly White" in all its actions then or now .....
but I firmly believe we "TRY" to what is best......hindsight is always
easy to use when discussing history but not available in contempory events.

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« Reply #214 on: October 21, 2004, 06:54:24 AM »
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Because it's an American life.  1 American life is worth more to me than 100,000 German lives.



The same kind of american life you need a gun to defend your family against??

How I hate this childish over-simplistic black/white attitude... Try to show some coherence in your credos.
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« Reply #215 on: October 21, 2004, 07:51:28 AM »
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Because it's an American life.  1 American life is worth more to me than 100,000 German lives.


That is racist crap.

I do agree with Truman's use of the Atomic Bombs based on logic.

Spock: "The need of the many outweight the need of the few."

The end result is far less lives were lost. It certainly was not pretty, but it was the best decision the president could take. Invasion would have resulted in millions of casualties and almost complete destruction for Japan.

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« Reply #216 on: October 21, 2004, 07:59:50 AM »
deseleys... very few Americans "need" a gun to protect their family but we like to have the freedom to make the choice ourselves.... Plus.. the very fact that so many chose to have firearms in this country makes it easier to protect our families even if we don't own one...  most burglars (all but the real whackos) are afraid to attack and/or rob a home with the people in it.

Americans own guns for a variety of reasons.. target shooting, defense, recreation, history and collecting and as a guard against tyranny fropm within or without.  We have allways felt that this was an essential freedm... second only to free speach.

the 2nd amendment is for when all the others fail.

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« Reply #217 on: October 21, 2004, 08:22:57 AM »
Lazs, you know that I somewhat agree with you. I just used this comparison to show how Martlet's statement is illogic and flawed.
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« Reply #218 on: October 21, 2004, 08:52:02 AM »
It is simply astounding how my comment about myths is bearing fruit so quickly. See how powerful a myth can be? One after another, the myth of a million deaths in an invasion comes rolling out.

The U.S. military leaders from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to all but one of the 5-star Officers (who's job was to plan an invasion of the mainland for 1946) are on record saying that no invasion would have occured and the bombing had no effect on the outcome.

Japan was already asking to surrender before the Soviets declared war in August. The bombs were dropped just days before the Soviet planned declaration of war and planned invasion of Hokkaido - the northernmost island.

The emperor had already told the political and military leaders to stop the 'fight to the last man' nonsense, and he told the population the same - they must accept the hardships of occupation.

And they did. Many officers committed suicide, but there was no rebellion or insurrection against the occupation.

If the population was going to fight to the last man, they would have started on September 2nd in Tokyo harbor.

I had the remarkable experience about 10 years ago of spending time with a man who was on the deck of the U.S. Missouri as a young naval officer. A Japanese naval officer who acted as translator for the naval representative during the surrender ceremony.

He and others who I have spoken to who lived and survived through those times echo the sentiments of Harry Truman when he said that he pitied the naivete of the man who believed what he read in the newspapers as being the true reasons for decisions made by those in government.

The decisions to go to, and execute a war have always come from men who feel a superiority of ideology and an understanding of the naivete of people. They are able to tap into and stir the base human instinct of ethnocentrism.

We are better, we are stronger, our cause is more righteous, our beliefs are right, theirs are wrong, good against evil, our religion is the only true one, our God is better than their god, we as a 'people' are superior than 'them.'

Hitler, Napoleon, Mussolini, Tojo, Britain over the heathen Africans and Indians, the Dutch over their heathens, the French over their heathens, the Spanish over their heathens, the new Americans over the native American and Vietnamese heathens - the list goes on and on.

And most of the people will fall for it, die for it, kill for it, and never truly know 'why.'

I've beat the topic to death with this thread and I didn't even start it. I've said enough and wasted enough pixels in futlility. The myth will continue long after we are all dead and gone.

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« Reply #219 on: October 21, 2004, 08:57:05 AM »
well rolex... you could add one more sentace to your wall of words....  the source.

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« Reply #220 on: October 21, 2004, 09:06:21 AM »
If you want to kill two birds with one stone, you could find many sources and walls of words at your local library. ;)

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« Reply #221 on: October 21, 2004, 09:14:00 AM »
so... you are either going by memory or are ashamed of your source?

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« Reply #222 on: October 21, 2004, 09:29:13 AM »
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The same kind of american life you need a gun to defend your family against??

How I hate this childish over-simplistic black/white attitude... Try to show some coherence in your credos.


You think American soldiers are on par with criminals?  Heh.  talk about your childish overly-simplistic black and white attitudes.  All you posted was a adolescent foot stomping.  No rhyme or reason to your weeping.

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That is racist crap.

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Racist?   You're quick to toss out the racism card.  Perhaps you don't understand the definition.

Here's a card I'll toss you in return:  Idiocy.

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« Reply #223 on: October 21, 2004, 09:40:00 AM »
Martlet,


Are your soldiers grown in vat? Or do you recruit them among the population? In the case of the latter, how do you exclude with 100% certainty the possible (or never been caught) criminals?

Can you prove me that the no US soldier ever murdered an US citizen?




Besides, you said 'american lives'. You haven't specified 'soldiers'.


Go ahead, nazi. Surprise me.
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« Reply #224 on: October 21, 2004, 09:48:36 AM »
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Martlet,


Are your soldiers grown in vat? Or do you recruit them among the population? In the case of the latter, how do you exclude with 100% certainty the possible (or never been caught) criminals?

Can you prove me that the no US soldier ever murdered an US citizen?




Besides, you said 'american lives'. You haven't specified 'soldiers'.


Go ahead, nazi. Surprise me.


You're arguing a losing point that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic or the intent of my statement.

Keep stomping your feet and crying.  If I had been POTUS in 1945, I'd have nuked your ***.  In fact, if I were POTUS tomorrow I'd nuke it as payback.

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