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Offline Toad

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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2003, 06:52:58 PM »
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Education here ain't free. Neither is medical care.


Look at our little Santa! He's all grown up now!

Seems like only yesterday you were posting that all that stuff was indeed "free".

You have passed on through to the other side, Santa.

TANSTAAFL.

Doesn't mean these things are good or bad. It just means... NOTHING is free. Somebody, somewhere, sometime pays.

Congrats.
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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2003, 11:56:46 PM »
Daff if you are taxed at 80% of your income or anything close to that, nothing is then free. You paid for it with your income taxes and sales taxes, not only did you contribute for your direct expenses but somebody urealated to you  was forced to pay from their pocket for your education and medical care. I wont even go to into welfare impliations of this. Surely you must see that, well I guess not since communists like you do nut understand economics...
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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2003, 10:53:15 AM »
Toad: PFTTTTTTTH :D
I'm not hearing a word of what you're saying. LALALALALALALALA

I am NOT on that side. NOPE. LALALALALALALA.
Oh, I was wrong back then.
But still. Am on my side. No other side. LALALALALALALA


Daff, Dk could do a lot better. The brainwashing I am refering to is this style of argument

"Man, I think we pay too much taxes"
"But look at all we get!"
"I don't get very much. I pay."
"But we have free health care, education"
"It's not free"
", but if you want something, it's going to cost

The bold line is what almost all Danes use to defend the high taxes. They, like I used to, *assume* that it HAS to cost as much as it does today. This simply isn't true. The state doesn't exist in a competitive market - it's a monopoly - and thus it has little incentive to fix things that are wrong. Due to the way responsibility is handled in the state (not my table, go to next) problems that would have dragged a normal company down aren't fixed. It's like a poorly programmed pron browser. People will use it despite memory leaks, crashes because there's no alternative way og getting the porn. The instant another pr0n browser is released that's more stable, people will abandon the original one. Except we can't bloody well have another state, right?

About benefits - I'm in a union. I've paid good money to this union so far and will continue to when I get a job. So the answer is - NO. I don't get anything from the state. I wasn't ELIGIBLE for welfare because I was saving up to buy a new computer, rudders and throttle. Had I been eligible, I would have been forced to pay it back since it was judged that my financial situation was such that I could do it.

Since it takes a month before union money (dagpenge) kicks in, I've had to live for 4200 (around $590) for two months. Food, rent, internet bill, TV license, cable TV. Because the case worker dinnae want to include all my bills in the calculation. And then she wanted to put me on the activation program to lend the money (I was gonna have to pay um back after all).

I'm telling you Daff. Today you need to be irresponsible to get something. it works really well for single mothers that are unemployed, immigrants, people who live beyond their means (big apartments) and drug addicts of various kinds. It's been 'de svages' turn in DK for a very long time. How abou giving some to those that *pay taxes* for a change?

So no. State ain't giving me toejame. And I don't want toejame from it, other than what's mine (the money *I* earn). The people that use are the people that ought to pay.

I'm telling my momma about what a bully the state is. She'll talk to the states mother - Coercion ThroughViolence.
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2003, 11:20:15 AM »
California has Gray Davis....

Tax and spend spend spend spend.

At least that's that's been the history.  Now he can't get enough money to cover the spending, so we are going to get taxed some (a lot) more.  Hope those democrats are proud.
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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2003, 11:45:28 AM »
Ok, fair enough :)...but you must have seen the 1 month quarantee from the union coming..it existed when I was living there :).
Again, I was one of the 'svage' and it worked. Yes, there's abuse, but has there ever been any numbers on how much it's actually abused?. 95% of the people I met who complained about it had never been in a situation where they needed help.
 In the UK privatizing has been somewhat of a mixed success. (Or rather, mixed failure). The rail system was a prime example (I had only been here one day, before I would never ever complain about DSB again (Danish railways)). It hiked up prices and compromised safety in order to gain higher profits. Is that really a good alternative? (And it took several major accidents and investigations before it got stripped from them).

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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2003, 11:55:36 AM »
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Santa:

Today you need to be irresponsible to get something. it works really well for single mothers that are unemployed, immigrants, people who live beyond their means (big apartments) and drug addicts of various kinds. It's been 'de svages' turn in DK for a very long time. How abou giving some to those that *pay taxes* for a change?
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Jeez.... we turned him into a... a.... a... CONSERVATIVE!

Now yer fair game for Weazel, Santa!

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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2003, 12:01:26 PM »
That sounds more like communism than socialism.
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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2003, 12:59:30 PM »
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That sounds more like communism than socialism.

Nah, different stages of the same (terminal) disease.
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Offline Seeker

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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2003, 01:41:00 PM »
Anything's better than Pia Kjærsgård (sp?).

Strange to look out the window and realise that 25% of the people I see think the guy who owns the corner shop should be "sent back to where he came from" (can they really mean Brøndby?).

The real problem with enhedslisten is that they don't actualy want power, just influence. That's to say they have no intention of forming a government should they ever have a majority (a statistical impossibility with Denmarks proportional system), which is to say they have no intention of taking the rap for their screwy ideas, any more than the DFP.

And Grun, by this logic:

"you're a socialist then you're a communist"

Then:

If your a capitalist then you're a Nazi.


But then we knew that already.......
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Offline ra

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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2003, 02:25:58 PM »
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If your a capitalist then you're a Nazi.

Nazis were socialists too.
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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2003, 02:47:13 PM »
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Nazis were socialists too.


no, its national socialism with bad ideas about the other race.
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Offline Ike 2K#

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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2003, 02:53:10 PM »
third world countries like southeast asia, central america, eastern europe, and africa neeeeeeeds SOCIALISM.
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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2003, 02:56:58 PM »
Non-motorists SHOULD still have to contribute to road maintenence, perhaps not as much as a motorist but they should have to contribute.

I mean, if you get sick, what does the ambulance use to get to your house?  That's right, the road.  What does the fire truck use to get to your house?   Yep, the road  :)    Not owning a car doesn't mean you don't use the roads.

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« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2003, 03:34:45 PM »
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You know, the scary thing is that these guys have political power when a left government is in power (which is usually the case in Denmark).


And they didn't line you up and shoot you? Damn, you are lucky!  Better hope they don't read this until next election... ;)
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« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2003, 05:29:45 PM »
Baaaaaah Toad. I make comments that reflect reality - that doesn't make me a conservative.

Hm, I *did* vote for The Conservative in the last election. Not that it means anything.

It's just that stupidity gotta stop sooner or later! I could be de-stupidified, and so can others.
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