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Offline Rude

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2003, 01:02:14 PM »
Uh Oh....now I'm gettin worried.

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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2003, 01:07:41 PM »
The pots appear to be an achilles heel to the Cougar although many reported pot problems are not that at all and a reset of the stick often cures many problems but there has been problems no denying that. As for losing grip when you're sweating..are you playing in a sauna? I played AH for 4 hours straight a few weeks ago online with my squad and never slipped once and I do sweat when flying online and often sit in my boxer shorts and a t-shirt (nice mental image for you when you see me online next :) ) There is a small ammount of play around the centre on my stick but no more than any other stick I have ever used. The sheer size of the stick amplifies the small ammount of play. To see just how much I took the base off mine and could only fit a single piece of OHP film between the shaft and the gimbal system so do you really expect military spec tolerance for $250? It also does a lot more than the Saitek, analogue and digital statements on the same axis, logical programming, being able to change the way the axis work whilst in your sim so you can trim it any way you like at the press of a button not to mention many more buttons over anything Saitek has on the market. To make such a comparison I think you perhaps only scratched the surface of what the Cougar can do.

Perfect? no, best stick on the market at the moment? yes

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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2003, 01:11:07 PM »
Look here Rude

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006LIO6/qid=1042139849/sr=8-7/ref=sr_8_7/102-2281133-6873730?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846

$239, free shipping and Il2 thrown in.

Plus your game port rudder pedals will plug right into the cougar and you can program them with the Foxy soft.

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2003, 01:12:00 PM »
Whew...I'm feelin better now:)

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2003, 01:21:33 PM »
"The stick is made for BIG hands and is finished in gloss paint, perfect grip when the going gets sweaty (not!); especialy in the light of those springs."

I'm 5'8 150 Lbs, and I wear a size 7 glove. Translation: Small Hands. (But the upside; My D*ck looks bigger when I'm...Oh nevermind...)

Simple $4.00 solution for me. I wear a fingerless biking glove on my right hand. And not being a gorilla, I still have NO TROUBLE smacking that Stick around (The cougar). Plus the thing gets looser the more you use it. (The Cougar, again)  If you really want to be out there, get a pair of Nomex flight gloves for $20.00. (Of course, be prepared for the ridcule that will surely follow, as I am for this entire post.)

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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2003, 01:28:38 PM »
I have only had one problem with mine and it was easy to fix.  The POV hat was sticking in the down (or 6 view).  Took the stick apart, cleaned it, and works perfect now.

Hell, if you would have asked, I would have let you try my Cougar out at the last Con.  Oh well.

I don't have mine programmed for AH.  This is more me than the stick though, as I am too lazy to sit down and program it.

I would try one out before you get it if you can.  You might think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread, or you may think it is a horrbly overpriced piece of poop.  Not because there is anything wrong with the stick or you, just some people prefer different things.

Anyways, hope you like it if you get it.

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2003, 01:29:37 PM »
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Originally posted by muckmaw
"The stick is made for BIG hands and is finished in gloss paint, perfect grip when the going gets sweaty (not!); especialy in the light of those springs."

I'm 5'8 150 Lbs, and I wear a size 7 glove. Translation: Small Hands. (But the upside; My D*ck looks bigger when I'm...Oh nevermind...)

Simple $4.00 solution for me. I wear a fingerless biking glove on my right hand. And not being a gorilla, I still have NO TROUBLE smacking that Stick around (The cougar). Plus the thing gets looser the more you use it. (The Cougar, again)  If you really want to be out there, get a pair of Nomex flight gloves for $20.00. (Of course, be prepared for the ridcule that will surely follow, as I am for this entire post.)


Tard!!  Dweeb!!  Loser!!

It had to be done, sorry muck.

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2003, 01:36:24 PM »
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I have only had one problem with mine and it was easy to fix.  The POV hat was sticking in the down (or 6 view).  Took the stick apart, cleaned it, and works perfect now.

Hell, if you would have asked, I would have let you try my Cougar out at the last Con.  Oh well.

I don't have mine programmed for AH.  This is more me than the stick though, as I am too lazy to sit down and program it.

I would try one out before you get it if you can.  You might think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread, or you may think it is a horrbly overpriced piece of poop.  Not because there is anything wrong with the stick or you, just some people prefer different things.

Anyways, hope you like it if you get it.


Math-

swing over to that websight in this thread, "Cougar World". They've got 3 AH profiles there for Download. One is Revvins, another from Slapshot, and a 3rd.

Without the programming, your missing out on all the features of that stick.

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2003, 01:37:00 PM »
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Tard!!  Dweeb!!  Loser!!

It had to be done, sorry muck.


That's cake, Math.

I was expecting worse than that.

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2003, 01:40:50 PM »
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That's cake, Math.

I was expecting worse than that.


Well, I just filled out about 50-60 detention slips for this Saturday... That crap just turns the brains to mush.  Next time, I will try and be a bit more creative.

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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2003, 01:46:14 PM »
Got mine 3 min ago , opening up now cya online guys

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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2003, 01:50:35 PM »
I dont own a couger But I have a huge pile of other thrust master crap tho. It has been my experience that thrust master is cheap crap. Rap it up in a metal package and you have a nice pretty piece of crap. Thrust mater sticks have allways gone spikey after a short time their pots are crap. I went to CH 5 years ago and have never regretted it. The only problem I have had is after loading windows XP and finding out the gameport stick programing wont work. So I went to the CH sight and searched their links to online sellers of CH products Found all new usb stuff stick throttle and pedals for $350.00 shipping included.  The usb stuff is even better than the gameport smooth as silk.

 You have the best most reliable stick now trust me take some time look for deals on the CH stuff and never look back. Besides the new usb pro pedals have toe brakes too kewl.

 If anyone out there needs like new condition CH gameport pro throttle and f16 fighterstick let me know THEY WILL NOT WORK WITH WINDOWS XP For sale at a modest price.
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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2003, 01:55:24 PM »
Use a Radio Shack gameport to USB adapter.  I think is about $15 cat no is 26-164 part number sticker on back is 06A01

Will make anything gameport work USB.

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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2003, 02:28:13 PM »
I've had mine since the thing was released, and still love it.  Programming isn't hard at all if you use the included Foxy programming software and just keep it simple.  You can go more in depth and get into the complicated stuff, but you don't have to.

If you can get your hands on one, that'd be nice.  As with anything, taste is subjective and just because I love mine doesn't mean you'll love yours.  I could never stand the feel of CH Sticks, tho' I've never had issue with their quality.  And by feel I mean the movement of the joystick/throttle.  The feel of their plastic is great.  As for Saitek, I've always been of the opinion they make junk...including their hoopty rip-off of the TM TQS throttle.

To give you a different perspective on Seeker's rantings....

"The quality is only skin deep; the innards are as cheap as any other stick."

While, I would have loved to have an even more precise stick with higher quality metal (and would have been willing to pay the price), I highly doubt that the metal innards in the cougar are as cheap or as weak as the plastic parts in many joysticks.  The hat switches are a dream, imo, done perfectly with great throw.  All of the buttons have a positive feel when you activate them and the dual-stage trigger is much improved over the F22.

"There's slop around centre. Not much, to be fair, but more than my old sidewinder, at (literally) ten times the price any is too much."

I think there are a few things that the Cougar has that a MS Sidewinder does not, and that is what you pay for.  That said, center slop is and always has been one of my pet peeves.  It didn't effect the operation of the stick in any way, and most probably wouldn't notice...but it bugged me.  I spent $130US (incl shipping) to send off the guts of my stick to an enthusiast in Australia who has created a mod for the stick.  He incorporates brass bushings and a custom ball bearing assembly for each axis.  It eliminated the slop and took the stick to another level.  I'm guessing the same affect could have been achieved if I had opted to not get the ball bearing assemblies, and the price would have been cut in half as well...but I thought they were cool so I paid for 'em.

"The stick is made for BIG hands and is finished in gloss paint, perfect grip when the going gets sweaty (not!); especialy in the light of those springs."

The handle is the same size as the one in the F-16, and I'm guessing the gov't did some research into the design.  However, position can make a huge difference.  Your ability to reach every hat and swich on the stick can be affected by whether the stick is in a position high, medium or low in relation to your elbow.  Sitting up on your desk, the top hat can be hard to reach.  Sitting on a mount lower (I have mine so that the top of the base is roughly at elbow height - when my elbow is at my side) the top hat is easier to reach.  I still don't use it for views tho', I use the one immediately below it, because that one is more readily accessible.  As for sweaty hands, I guess that must be a personal thing...I've never had that problem, even when I'm hot.

"The Cougar is a prime example of Emporer's new clothes syndrome."

His other points were his own perspective, and that's cool, but he's just babbling here.  It's a great stick, and I feel it was worth every penny I paid for it, as was the mod.


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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2003, 02:35:04 PM »
I have owned 3 F-16's and 2 F-22's, you'd think I would have learned my lesson...

Stick #1
F-16 FLCS Worked great for over a year, finaly sucumbed to pot spiking.

#2
F-16 FLCS Died a terrible spiking death in 2 days.

#3 TM sent me a new F-16 it also died in 2-3 days.

#4 F-22 Basically spiky from the get go.

#5 TM sent me another F-22 still spiky as a mo fo.

I tried the TM game card and a number of other solutions all to no avail.

Switched to CH stuff which has always worked great. I've now owned 2 of the CH F-16 fightersticks, both lasted 2 years plus.

I like the look and feel of the TM stuff but they just can't seem to find good pots for these things. Kinda scary as they supposedly make sticks for the military and space programs.

Anyone wanna buy my old TM stuff?

I work at a CNC machine shop and am considering making  my own stick using all metal and ball bearings with RC car shocks for springs/dampening. I'll steal the guts outta some other stick and buy some military rated pots. Any interest in these?