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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2003, 06:28:25 PM »
""jeopardize their little no-compulsory-military-service""

i thought you liberals were against the draft? oh , wait , that was the last war. "hell no , we won't go" "hey hey LBJ, how many kids have you killed today"

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2003, 06:42:11 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2003, 07:00:20 PM »
Or better yet point out any posts I've made supporting liberals.

Until you can come up with any proof I'm a liberal shut your pie-hole.

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""jeopardize their little no-compulsory-military-service""

i thought you liberals were against the draft? oh , wait , that was the last war. "hell no , we won't go" "hey hey LBJ, how many kids have you killed today"
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2003, 07:22:26 PM »
I don't know if any of what miko2d is actually true.  However, I do know that the current Bush administration is quite willing to trade freedom for security.  Women aren't running that show.

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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2003, 02:10:02 AM »
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Besides well-known intellectual deficiencies of women in certain areas (spacio-visual, etc.), especially at the high - and most important - end of the distribution, there is a significant gender-related difference in character traits.

 Specifically, being faced with a choice or freedom vs. security, a women is much more likey to select security where a man would select freedom.
 Also, women by nature are much more likely to uncritically depend on someone/something rather than take a risk and responcibility. That is quite natural and a product of evolution where female's and her child's life were more important for survival of the species, so such species tended to spread where males took risks and females took security measures, but the social implications of it are unsettling.

 It's obvious that western civilisation prospered becasue of heigher degree of individual freedom and specifically through people taking risks. With more and more women taking part in politics - and comprising majority of the population, there is a natural trend towards more restrictive laws that impossibly try to protect everyone from everything - seat belts, product restrictions, FDA approvals, etc.

 Once some level of comfort is reached, women become a stong force for slowing/reversing progress and restriction of freedom.

 miko


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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2003, 08:31:17 AM »
Gunthr: Would you go so far as to say that the Democrats are a bit  feminine when compared to the masculine Republicans, based on thier tendancies to want to legislate almost everything???  ;)

 :) From where I stand - libertarian position - there is so little difference between them as to be almost immaterial to reflect on their masculinity. The republican legislation of morals is much less destructive of foundations of western civilisation than democrat legislation of economy. That's the basis of my choice - lesser evil, not greater good.


Curval: I don't disagree with everything you have pointed out, except to say "what is your alternative?"

 Teach the children so that those who survive the crash of western civilisation will know the reasons and have a chance to avoid repeating mistakes.

Anything other than equality puts you and I at the level of the Taliban and their "respect" for women's rights and we all take a giant leap backwards in developing our humanity.

 I would disagree that pre-1924 western society was disrespectfull of woman, but that is beyong the point.
 This thread is called "Feminisation of politics" but it could be "nationalisation", "environmantalisation", etc. Politics is the problem and breeding ground for all kinds of despotism.
 Have a free state where government is separate from religion and economy and only exists to protect freedom and property and no group will be able to hijack the power.


weazel: Imagination is more important than intelligence...

 This thread did not have anything to do with intelligence. Oh, and women surely do not have more imagination than man but much less. It is no surprise why women do not play games as much as man do - you need imagination to play the role.
 Average intelligence of women is the same as men. The woman's distribution is narrower, which explains lack of women among the scientists, executives, etc., but it does not matter at all in politics.
 Not having a woman on top will not prevent any "feminine" idea from being originated or picked up by men and submitted for evaluation to electorate. The ideas most women are voting for are often/mostly originated by man anyway - how many women candiates for president did we have?
 But on the same issues presented by the same male politicians women voters often chose quite different than men voters - valuing promised security rather than freedom and opportunity.


midnight Target: Interesting... Define freedom Define security What if increasing freedom increases security? What if a risk is necessary to secure yourself?

 You can secure one's person from unvelcome violation by another person without restricting freedom.
 But trying to prevent problems by prosecuting hypothetical intent - thought crimes - goes way beyong that. A child pointing a finger and saying "poof" is not commining a gun crime - there is no posession of gun involved, just hysterics.
 Even worse is denying people a chice to voluntarily enter into an honest transaction because some other person does not trust him/herself with a decision.
 We all know that drugs better pass the FDA approval process. So a regular person should wait untill 15-year testing period concludes. But a person with 6 month to live may want to buy one right away - except it is illegal to sell a drug with large label "NOT YET FDA APPROVED" to a willing buyer. Just one example.
 How about medicating 1/3 of US boys with powerfull psychotropic drugs of unknown side-effects for just behaving like regular boys - which is always risky - and making them behave like girls? Outlawing concept of competition, play, activity?

 Your questions are too general and require theoretical discussion which I will do later. Anyway, those are generic freedom questions, not related to gender. The western civilisation was built by males. Whether it can survive female domination is anyone's guess. I say no.
 Civilisations and societies undergo evolution and selection much like species. There were plenty of primitive matriarchal societies. That none survived and developed is not a coincidence.


funkedup: There are a lot of male safety nazis too.

 True. But apparently there were not enough of them to prevent active and motivated males from taking risks and pursuing progress and new - often dangerous - ways. Also, state in western civilisation was never so all-penetrating  and powerfull as to significantly impede/reverse progress whoever held political sway. Now they have help of women and a state that can do enormous damage.


Airhead: All Liberals are sissys.

 Liberals want to prevent me from being "exploited" even when I enter into voluntary transaction. They prefer I starve rather than accept a low pay.
 Many conservatives are willing to allow me that economic freedom but want to legislate my morality - protecting me from myself. I have to be made to pray. I must have my urge to buy pornography and drugs and commit suicide controlled - otherwise I can do harm to myself that I might regret - as they see it. Of course denying me my moral autonomy they deny morals altogether in an attempt to promote them... I guess they did not Kant.


GtoRA2: Let the stupid people learn or DIE!!!

 You confuse stupidity with ignorance. Stupid cannot learn and they do die or at least fail to reproduce unless their procreation is subcidised.
 Anyway, women are not more stupid than men - they hust have very different bioligically-programmed priorities.


Erlkonig: However, I do know that the current Bush administration is quite willing to trade freedom for security. Women aren't running that show.

 Bush is pushing politics that many more women than men will approve and vote for. It's not the person in power that's really important but where the real power resides - in electorate. There will always be a selection of scoundrels and nuts covering all possible spectrum of political idiocy. Those will succeed who full the majority. So women are running the show, being more numerous and more uniform in their preferences.
 Men are by nature seeking risks and opportunities in different directions. Their interetst being so disparate, they have more problems than women in forming political majorities.

 Oh, yea - women are much more likely to be affected by a telegenic male politician with persuading tone of voice, regardless of validity of arguments, than male voters. It's biological thing.
 It's known for women to have orgasm listening to a powerfull political speaker. It is also a scientific fact that it is not logic, however persuading, that causes people to have orgasm.
 Quite possibly, male voters would irrationally vote for a cuter and younger female president too - if several very young hot women ever run for presidency at once - but that has never happened yet.
 I do not think it ever will, with 35 years age limit, etc. By the time woman reaches a political stage, she is not likely to be perceived by men as a female.

 miko
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2003, 08:49:01 AM »
ending womens sufferage is imperative if we wish to survive as free men.   Once womens sufferage is ended we can bully the womenly men into voting like men.    Perhaps a test for estrogen levels in men should be done to prevent som of the democrats from voting also.

When men are young they believe that if they pretent to agree with women, especialy loudly and often and in public, they will get laid... They do not realize that not only are they earning the scorn of their fellow men but.... women think they are popsicles too.

Women prefer the company of other women... they don't want to talk to you.  They emphathize better than men and are nurturers so they pretend to accept you.

Curval... taliban?  no... I hold doors open for women.   I have the utmost respect for the job they do/used to do raising children.   How are things better for women today?   I have talked to many women who are not the least bit happy with their "liberation".   The freedom to be treated badly and rudely....

 Look at the TV shows and rap music... The tv shows and movies latest theme is .... women are tougher than men... women kick mens bellybutton all the time... not a huge leap to.... It's ok to kick womens ass's because they are "equal"   I am 53 years old and there is not a woman in the world that I couldn't beat the crap outta.   I have never had a woman act aggressivly to me other than sexually.   I have had to fight plenty of men.  

There was a very good show on the sexes Sunday on the discovery channel.... basicly it said that.... every myth about the difference between the sexes was true... big surprise.
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2003, 09:08:14 AM »
If this were in a forum where there were a lot of women you would see the suck ups come out of the woodwork.  

in an all male environment the best we will get is some half hearted, guilt ridden, knee jerk defense.

we need a few women to post here to give these "men" courage.
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2003, 09:49:19 AM »
Beetle could fill the role couldnt She?

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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2003, 10:08:36 AM »
lazs2: ending womens sufferage is imperative if we wish to survive as free men.

 Wrong approach - if we were free men, woman sufferage or any other wackiness would not pose the slightest threat to us, not having any coersive power. Free men cannot be forced by definition. Only when we are not free and the state can arbitrarily dispose of our bodies and property, does it apparently become an issue who controls the state.
 But only apparently - it's a necessary process that scondrels and amoral people get to the top. If there were no insecure and gullible women to be exploited by them, there are plenty of strategies that work on men. Some other kind of scoundrels would succeed - maybe overly militaristic rather than overly pacifistic.
 Our boys would march with little rifles singing "Horst Vessel".. er.. "America The Beautiful" rather than being pumped full of Ritalin. (BTW - my boy will march with a little rifle, if not with patriotic song - becasue I wish so. But I would not force my choice on anyone).

 And yes, Bush is overly pacifistic in my view. He and his womanly supporters are going into Iraq in a futile and self-deceiving attempt to bring order into the outside world and insure our security rather than have bravery to live in freedom even though surrounded by chaos and danger.

 miko
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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2003, 10:27:23 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2003, 11:00:52 AM »
Kanth,

 You can argue that I am misguided, or ignorant of something or even not smart enough to understand some point - but stating that a view opposite to yours can only by voiced by a person who is lying for some nefarious personal reason, while secretly sharing your beliefs - that just shows your incredible narow-mindedness only matched by your self-righteousnes arrogance.

 You may be a woman or a feminised man who cannot comprehend how real men feel and how they differ from women - I mean that not in any derogatory sense, but in a full appreciation of gender diferrenses that contribute to our success as species - that does not give you any basis to imply that someone is a liar. Even if you just do that by womanly show of emotion rather than open statement, preferably substantiated by logic, like a real man would do.

 I would even dare suggest that yours is a typical womanly reaction - trying to ignore an offending phenomenon out of existence by wishfull thinking rather than trying to overcome reality (by finding a flaw in my logic) or learning to live and deal with it, however unpalatable.

 Oh, yea - I will even claim that you are pretty stupid and blind to the obvious - posting an accusation of trolling in a thread in which about fifteen people have already seriously (besides Airhead's deserved jab at liberals :)) participated.

 Well, at least you've made a very good illustration for my point about a typical feminine reaction of ignoring the obvious in favor of feel-good gesture. Go powder your nose now.

 miko

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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2003, 11:29:14 AM »
you need a tissue?
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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2003, 11:31:22 AM »
By volume, men's brains are bigger than women's.

By volume, women's buttocks are bigger than men's.

By volume, women speak more than men.

By volume, men crap more often than women.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2003, 12:22:02 PM »
gofaster: By volume, men's brains are bigger than women's.

 Only by about 10% - but women have about 10% higher neuron density, so neurologically it's a draw.

By volume, women speak more than men.

 Volume of what? Air? Information?

By volume, men crap more often than women.

 The word you are looking for is frequency :)


Kanth: you need a tissue?

 Not really. But I thought you'd have one handy... :)

 Come on, trying to hurt my feelings? I am a man, remember?
 Whatever puny putdowns you throw at me cannot compare with what my drill instructor dished out. Or my professors for being sloppy with the logic. Whatever. I know you wouldn't accuse me of lying face-to-face.

 You are not the first cry-baby to turn matters personal and accuse me of lying rather than address the unpalatable facts I present. That is a reason I rarely argue politics with women.

 Actually, I am a man secure enough to admit that baseless accusation of lying even by anonymous nobodies hiding behind a bulletin board do affect me - a little. By a couple of heartbits per minute. Not nearly as much as bullet shot in my direction but probably measurable. However irrational it is, it's a purely physiological reaction. Enjoy it. Congratulations. I can even play along and cry for you - whaaa... whaaa... Happy?

 If you really want to get through to me and really make me feel bad about something I've said, ask some of you male-ish friends to find a flaw in my logic or data.

 miko