Author Topic: Brits! Make a stand against ID cards. (Read 607 times)

bounder · « **Reply #15 on:** January 14, 2003, 06:51:04 AM »

The thing about having an all singing all dancing ID card that will do all of these magical things (cut down on fraud/crime/bigus asylum seekers) - is that it will always be used as the one unimpeachable source of identity.

Assume now for a moment someone discovers how to fake them/make them/doctor them.

(which they will)

Suddenly you discover that you have been illegally claiming benefits in 6 cities in the UK, you have opened a bank account and fleeced your overdraft without paying it back, you have been charged and convicted of assault, but you absconded on bail.

Wait, who's that knocking at your door?

It's easy to identify people by using a cross check, but the National ID card will obviate all of that out of a need for convenience.

Identity theft would become even more lucrative.

Swoop · « **Reply #16 on:** January 14, 2003, 07:02:13 AM »

Wadda ya mean "which they will"?

They already have. A BBC news team went and got a copy of the birth cert of the British Home Secretary (v important Government minister), then rented a flat in his name to get some bills in his name, then joined a few video clubs, etc, and got all kinds of ID in his name.......then they went to see him and give him all these new IDs with the wrong photo on. He wasnt impressed.

StSanta · « **Reply #17 on:** January 14, 2003, 07:15:12 AM »

Hope they used it to buy X-rated films.

'Home Secretary divulges in animal sex"

Now THAT wuld make a compelling argument against it.

I hope you won't have this. And in Dk they're talking about installing cameras in public places like in the UK. Worst thing is many think it is ok.

'If you're a law abiding citizen you don't have to worry'. Does that mean yuo won't mind the government installing a GPS device under your skin, record all your conversations etc? I mean, if you're a law abiding...

It's scary the direction society is taking. More government control and monitoring. All while corporate interests are taking over the politicians.

Ugh.

loser · « **Reply #18 on:** January 14, 2003, 07:35:10 AM »

"I don't want it. The things you're offering me. Symbolized barcode, quick I.D. Oh Yeah!"

Dowding · « **Reply #19 on:** January 14, 2003, 07:47:40 AM »

I thought about moving to another country. Australia looks good. It looks very good indeed.

My parents are moving to Cadiz in the next few years, so Spain looks good too. Although I love Zaragoza, so I'd go there. They have a couple of Irish bars for the Guiness, so the important things would be taken care of.

gatso · « **Reply #20 on:** January 14, 2003, 07:55:35 AM »

ID cards are one of those ideas that sounds great until you actually come to implement it, there are too many loopholes. The Program made by the BBC, which was extreemly funny as well as being a little unsettling just brought into the public eye something which has been going on for years. Until the various government agencies can get their house in order and recover the thousands of bogus birth certificates and drivers licences it really isn't worth introducing an ID card system.

That's just if I was in favour of ID cards. We already have Passports and Drivers licences with our mugs on them, we really do not need another layer of documentation to reinforce and prove who we really are. If they really want to spend 1.5 billion on it they should probably look into increasing security and background checks in the DVLA and passport agency and give a bit of it to the police earmaked directly for the recovery and prosecution of people holding and creating bogus/fake documentation.

CCTV is aother issue, It seems to work very well in certain high potential troublespots like city centres at pub chuck out time. IMHO, worth the 'infringment' on my 'liberty'

/rant
Don't get me started on sodding bastard student loans. Whole system must have been thought up by Ebineezer Scrooge. F***ing labour mizer bastards. I might even go for broke and vote for the Libs next time just because they seem to have a much more sensible student policy than anyone else. I'm on the old system too but it's seriously f***ing up quite a few of my mates lives just because they went to Uni a year after I did. Madness.
/rantoff

Gatso

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #21 on:** January 14, 2003, 08:02:39 AM »

The only sure fire method to impliment ID cards is to instead make them chips and implant them. Perhaps in the back of the right hand or your forehead.

AKDejaVu

Eagler · « **Reply #22 on:** January 14, 2003, 08:40:12 AM »

skip the ID cards and go right to the eye scanners

Swoop · « **Reply #23 on:** January 14, 2003, 09:39:50 AM »

Damn right Eagler, if they wanna keep tabs on us then go for finger printing, retina scan and get a DNA sample at birth.

Until then any form of paper ID can be fraudulantly obtained.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #24 on:** January 14, 2003, 01:03:37 PM »

Damn Trekkies get everywhere

Replicant · « **Reply #25 on:** January 14, 2003, 01:37:12 PM »

I already have to carry an ID card and it's come in use a great deal. I wouldn't mind the proposed ID card if it incorporated passport, drivers licence etc.... BUT can you really trust the British government to implement it correctly and without fault... Nope! They're bound to screw it up bigtime.

whgates3 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 14, 2003, 01:41:34 PM »

Papieren!