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Offline LLv34_Snefens

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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2003, 04:49:42 AM »
Yeah, I'm all for adding the Me-410 and sorting the things out later. :)

BTW, I just found a pic in one of my books clearly showing the gun pointing upwards at an angle of 60-65 degrees. Either it could move more than the 70 degree I first posted, or it couldn't move very much down (60 degree up, 10 degree down for instance). I also found a pic of a gunner sitting in his seat, with a reflector sight visible. Was this for when locking the guns to fire backwards (like Ar234) or also to use when moving the guns. I don't know.
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2003, 05:40:26 AM »
Beaufighter(s)
Cant
Tu-2
P39/P63
T-34
I-16(2 variants)
D 520
Frank
Emily
Hayabusa(s)
And for Existing airframes
LaGG
Spit IX lF or VIII
Sea Hurricane
More Mossies
Yak-3
Yak-1
pewww....bet this would be enough untill 1.13
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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2003, 08:35:40 PM »
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Hazed, that's not a satisfactory solution.
The barbettes could cover 70 degree's up/down (so 35 degree's down i guess) and 40 degrees to each side. If you can only aim at what you can see from the rear seat, fighters can just come up on low six where you should be able to see them, but can't.

Brady's suggestion with two gun positions is a more workable solution to me. Maybe a compromise. Position 2 would put you in rear cockpit, with an "ad-hoc" sight like you suggest. If the enemy planes fly to where you can't see him from there, you can jump to pos 3 or 4 that i located directly at the barbette. If you want you can do all the gunning from here of course, and when you point to a direction that both guns can fire, backwards, they should.

It's a little cumbersome, but anything to get the Me410 in AH :)


I see . You mean the periscope had a way of seeing from the gun barrel almost?
So in other words whereever the gun could point you could see?

I wasnt aware of this. Where exactly did the lens of the periscope stick out of the aircraft? I always assumed it was aimed by the rear gunner and he was only able to see from inside the cockpit and all around.

From what you say it seems the periscope meant that the usual lower 6 oc blind spot was covered by the periscope right?

If this is the case how about you have normal control like i described before for any aircraft outside the blind spot but for when you want to fire at an aircraft in your lower 6oc position you press a button (say much like the zoom button) which gives you a view similar to the bomb sight with the ability to be moved around and aimed. (this would be similar to the calibration part of the bombing set up except you can fire guns with it)

wouldnt this work?  It could possibly be used for the entire firing arc of the barbettes. This would be much like the main gun of a panzer only faster moving.

At worst with the method i mentioned before you would lose the lower rear 6oc shooting from the barbettes but with a bomb site type of gun sight (viewed from the exact position the real periscope lens was mounted) you would have a pretty close aproximation of what these gunners could see right?

basically you would be almost in the same position as the b17 ball gunner but the bullets would appear from above and either side of your view. To then see above the tail you would hit the zoom key or similar to see the veiw from the rear cockpit seat and have the gunning method i described before.

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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2003, 08:49:44 PM »
Hell if we got the Me-410 without the gunner I would love it.  I don't care if we had it or not just bring it in here.  The Jack would be a nice addition for the japanese planeset as well.

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« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2003, 04:43:20 AM »
Cutaway showing gunner instruments and barbettes...

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« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2003, 04:52:20 AM »
I'd like the B25, I think she's prettier than the B26, it also has waist-guns instead of blister guns.
only it'll be more vunerable from attacks from below...

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« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2003, 05:58:26 AM »
If the guns were aimed with a periscope sight this would obvious have had to be located on the actual barbette, following the movement of the gun. Looking at closeup's of the barbettes there is only one place that stands out. You can see a small hole under the gun, that couldhave housed a mirror, but the more I look at it, I am certain that this is just the exit hole for spent shell casings.
I got pictures where the cover has been taken off the barbettes, but they are not very good (crewmen partly blocking or too far away), so I can't conclude anything from them.
Several sources mention they were remotely sighted by periscope, but this could just be another case of "109K have 15mm guns" poor source research.
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« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2003, 07:49:58 PM »
anyone know if the P-61's turret gunner used a periscope sight? looks like the gunner's field of view is a lot more limited than the turrets field of fire...

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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2003, 07:53:23 PM »
All three people in the P-61 could use the top turret.
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« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2003, 09:24:38 PM »
cool  - i wonder if they ever fought over it
"ohh can i shoot it down?!?"
"you shot it down last time - its my turn"
"if you both dont shut up , nobodys going to shoot it down"

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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2003, 11:13:32 PM »
Rofl..

 so, the P-61 gunner positions were named "Larry" "Curly" and "Moe" ?? :D

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« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2003, 12:59:57 PM »
If im not mistake the Tu2 was a Russian b29 bascilly because they stole 2 of them from us and copied the designs which were finished till after wwii.  If im right there will be no tu2 and further more why have a tu2 when we could just have a b29.


thats is of course if im correct about the tu2

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« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2003, 03:27:20 PM »
Negative tailgnr.  The Tu-2 is a WWII medium bomber that was developed internally by the Soviet Union.  You're thinking of the Tu-4, which did not fly until 1947 or 1948 and so is not appropriate for a WWII sim.
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« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2003, 09:50:07 PM »
I would like to see:

B-25
B-24 (Ploesti missions)
G4M2 (with the zippo effect)
TA-183 (was the German design for the Mig-15 and F-86)

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« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2003, 10:22:45 PM »
retitle this one please!!

to the 2.1 release..

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